Quantity of heat, phase change of ice to water

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves calculating the heat transfer associated with the phase change of ice to water and the subsequent temperature change of the resulting water. It is situated within the context of thermodynamics, specifically focusing on latent heat and specific heat capacities.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to calculate the heat required to raise the temperature of ice and questions the approach due to the small temperature change. Some participants clarify that the phase change must occur before any temperature increase can be considered.

Discussion Status

Participants have engaged in a productive discussion, exploring the necessary calculations for heat transfer during the phase change and subsequent heating of water. Some guidance has been provided regarding the sequence of processes involved in the problem.

Contextual Notes

There is a noted confusion regarding the negligible temperature change and its implications for the calculations. The discussion includes considerations of the assumptions made about the phase change and the properties of water and ice.

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Homework Statement


A 1x106 kg piece of ice is placed into a lake. How much heat is taken from the lake to raise the temperature of the ice from 0 °C to 1x10-20 °C? How much volume does the lake increase by?
Latent heat for water is 334x103 J/kg

Homework Equations


Found in my textbook,
cice = 2100 J/kg*K
Q = m c ΔT
Q = mLf
ρwater = 1.0x103 kg/m3

The Attempt at a Solution


First I found how much heat is required to raise the temperature of the ice from 0 °C to 1x10-20 °C.

Q = mcΔT
Q = (1x106 kg)(2100 J/kg*K)(1x10-20 °C - 0 °C)
Q = 2.1x10-11 J

Then I found how much ice would melt with that amount of heat.

Q = mLf
m = Q / Lf
m = 2.1x10-11 J / 334x103 J/kg
m = 6.287x10-17 kg

Finally, I found the volume of the water, or ice that melted.

ρ = m / V
V = m / ρ
V = 6.287x10-17 kg / 1.0x103 kg/m3
V = 6.287x10-20 m3

My understanding is the adding heat to ice doesn't increase its temperature and instead melts some of it into water that is at the same temperature. So I'm confused about the part asking how much heat is required to raise the temperature of the ice. I don't know if I took the right approach for this problem. Is it because the temperature change is so small?
 
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Hi Tafe,

Welcome to Physics Forums.

Tafe said:
My understanding is the adding heat to ice doesn't increase its temperature and instead melts some of it into water that is at the same temperature. So I'm confused about the part asking how much heat is required to raise the temperature of the ice. I don't know if I took the right approach for this problem. Is it because the temperature change is so small?
Yes, the temperature change they give is negligible and really quite indistinguishable from zero. I think the idea they want to convey is that even to raise the temperature of the ice by that insignificant amount you first have to melt all of it. So you need to convert the ice to liquid water as the first step. Only then can you raise the temperature of the water by the given amount.
 
gneill said:
I think the idea they want to convey is that even to raise the temperature of the ice by that insignificant amount you first have to melt all of it. So you need to convert the ice to liquid water as the first step. Only then can you raise the temperature of the water by the given amount.

It makes so much more sense now! I think I got it.

Heat required in phase change, ice at 0 °C to water at 0 °C:
Q = mLf
Q = (1x106 kg)(334x103 J/kg)
Q = 3.34x1011 J

Heat required in heating water at 0 °C to 1x10-20 °C:
Q = mcΔT
Q = (1x106 kg)(4190 J/kg*K)(1x10-20 °C - 0 °C)
Q = 4.19x10-11 J

The sum of these amounts is the total heat required to raise the temperature of the ice. The volume increase of the lake is the volume of the the entire piece of ice melted.
 
The energy calculations look good.

Shouldn't you give a numerical value for the lake's increase in volume?
 
gneill said:
Shouldn't you give a numerical value for the lake's increase in volume?

The ice is now water, so
ρwater = 1.0x103 kg/m3

ρ = m / V
V = m / ρ
V = (1x106 kg) / (1.0x103 kg/m3)
V = 1000 m3
 
Looks good.
 
Thank you so much gneill. :)
 
You're welcome! :smile:
 

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