Phase constant explanation needed

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The discussion revolves around the phase constant (φ) in the context of simple harmonic motion (SHM), particularly its role in the displacement equation and how it relates to initial conditions. Participants seek clarification on the significance of the phase constant and methods to determine its value.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant asks for an explanation of the phase constant in the displacement equation for SHM, noting that some sources neglect it.
  • Another participant provides the equation for displacement, x(t) = Acos(ωt + φ), emphasizing that the phase constant allows for different starting positions or velocities.
  • A participant explains that if the initial displacement x(0) = 0, the phase constant can be determined to be φ = π/2.
  • Another participant discusses how the phase constant depends on initial conditions, stating that if the displacement is maximum at t=0, then φ must be zero, while if the motion starts with maximum velocity at zero displacement, φ would be -π/2.
  • It is suggested that both the amplitude A and the phase constant φ can be determined from general initial conditions using the equations for displacement and velocity.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants present multiple perspectives on the phase constant, with no consensus reached on a single value or method for determining it. Various initial conditions lead to different conclusions about the phase constant's value.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention specific initial conditions and their implications for the phase constant, but the discussion does not resolve the dependencies or assumptions involved in determining φ.

Who May Find This Useful

Students preparing for physics tests, particularly those studying simple harmonic motion and the role of phase constants in oscillatory systems.

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Can anyone explain to me what the phase constant (phi) is regarding the equation for displacement in simple harmonic motion and tell me if there is any equation to get it because I have looked at some answers to simple questions and in the answers they have just neglected the phase constant altogether so they must have let it equal to zero or something.
Urgent assistance needed as physics test is on Monday!
 
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Why not provide the equation you are concerned about?
 
It's not so much the equation just the phase constant itself.
x(t)=Acos[wt+(phi)]
 
The phase constant allows for different starting positions or velocities, if your equation is
x(t) = A\cos (\omega t + \phi )
and you know that
x(0) = 0
Then you can solve for the phase angle
0 = A\cos (\omega (0) + \phi ) \Rightarrow \phi = \frac{\pi}{2}
 
The phase constant depends on the initial conditions. Those mean the initial displacement and velocity. If the displacement x=Acos(ωt+φ) was maximum at t=0, the phase constant has to be zero, φ=0, as the the cosine function has its maximum at zero argument, cos0=1.

If the SHM started with a push, at zero displacement but maximum velocity, the derivative of x(t), v=-Aωsin(ωt+φ) has to be maximum at t=0. That happens when sin(φ)=-1, that is φ=-pi/2. In his case, the displacement is x=Acos(ωt-π/2), and it is equivalent to x=Asin(ωt).

In general case, x(0)=x0 and v(0)=v0. You can determine both A and φ in

x(t)=Acos(ωt+φ), v(t)=-Aωsin(ωt+φ)

which correspond to these initial conditions:

At t=0

x0=Acosφ, v0=-Aωsinφ,----->

A=sqrt(x02+(v0/ω)^2) and

tanφ= -v0/(ωx0).

ehild
 
Thanks a million lads!
 

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