Phase of refrigerant crossing heat exchanger devices

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the phase changes of refrigerants as they pass through heat exchanger devices, such as condensers and evaporators. Participants explore whether phase changes are guaranteed under certain conditions, the role of temperature and pressure, and the implications for refrigeration cycles.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether a phase change always occurs when a refrigerant crosses a heat exchanger, suggesting that temperature relative to the boiling point may be a factor.
  • Another participant states that if the refrigerant is at vapor/liquid equilibrium, then heat addition will cause some of it to evaporate, but emphasizes the conditional nature of this statement.
  • Several participants describe the process of heat absorption and phase change, noting that cooling begins at the boiling point, and clarify that this boiling point is the saturation temperature at the pressure in the evaporator, not the atmospheric boiling point.
  • There is a discussion about the low boiling points of refrigerants and the conditions under which saturation occurs, with some participants asserting that saturation refers to the equilibrium state of liquid and vapor at specific temperature and pressure conditions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the conditions necessary for phase changes to occur, particularly regarding the role of temperature and pressure. There is no consensus on whether phase changes are guaranteed in all scenarios.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the importance of understanding saturation temperature and pressure relationships, but some assumptions about the conditions under which phase changes occur remain unresolved.

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When a refrigerant crosses a heat exchanger device or has some heat added into it, like condenser/evaporator or boiler/cooling tower, does the phase always change? If that's so, why? Or do we need to check if the temperature is above or under the boiling point?
 
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IF the refrigerant is at the vapour/liquid equilibrium, then yes: some of the stuff evaporates when heat is added. Note the IF.
 
When a Refrigerant goes through a heat exchanger, it begins to absorb heat. When it reaches it's boiling point there is where the cooling begins, it turns into a low pressure vapour with the aborbed heat in it and releases the heat through the condenser( Did that help)?
 
Atomic80 said:
When a Refrigerant goes through a heat exchanger, it begins to absorb heat. When it reaches it's boiling point there is where the cooling begins, it turns into a low pressure vapour with the aborbed heat in it and releases the heat through the condenser( Did that help)?
This should not be considered the atmospheric boiling point; it is the saturation temperature at the pressure in the evaporator.
 
Chestermiller said:
This should not be considered the atmospheric boiling point; it is the saturation temperature at the pressure in the evaporator.
 
You need to remember also that Refrigerants have low boiling point, in the negatives to be exact so it's the actual boiling point of the gas? Saturation temperature happens when the refrigerant cools from a gas to a liquid in it's high pressure state. Isn't that so?
 
Atomic80 said:
You need to remember also that Refrigerants have low boiling point, in the negatives to be exact so it's the actual boiling point of the gas? Saturation temperature happens when the refrigerant cools from a gas to a liquid in it's high pressure state. Isn't that so?
No. The saturation states of a refrigerant refer to the curve of temperature versus pressure in which the liquid and vapor can simultaneously exist in thermodynamic equilibrium.
 
Chestermiller said:
No. The saturation states of a refrigerant refer to the curve of temperature versus pressure in which the liquid and vapor can simultaneously exist in thermodynamic equilibrium.
 
So in this case, during evaporation, condensation.
 
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Atomic80 said:
So in this case, during evaporation, condensation.
Sure.
 
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