Phase shift after double-slit for entangled photons

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The discussion revolves around the quantum state of entangled photons, particularly focusing on the implications of a double-slit experiment on the phase of one of the entangled photons. Participants explore the relationship between entanglement, coherence, and interference in the context of quantum mechanics, examining both theoretical and experimental perspectives.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes that a double-slit in the path of photon A creates a phase shift due to unequal paths, suggesting a modified quantum state for entangled photons A and B.
  • Another participant challenges the idea that entangled photons exhibit interference in a double-slit setup, citing coherence issues and the nature of entanglement.
  • Some participants reference experiments that have achieved interference with entangled photons, specifically mentioning setups involving spontaneous parametric down-conversion (SPDC) and Mach-Zehnder interferometers.
  • There is a discussion about the necessity of having no information about the path taken by the photons for interference to occur, with emphasis on the role of entanglement in potentially carrying path information.
  • Participants express interest in mathematical formalism to describe the scenarios involving entangled photons and double-slit experiments.
  • Several participants request references to papers that document experimental observations of interference with SPDC photons in double-slit setups.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether entangled photons can exhibit interference in a double-slit setup, with some asserting that coherence is necessary for interference while others reference experimental evidence suggesting otherwise. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of phase shifts in the quantum state of entangled photons.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the coherence length and the specific experimental setup may significantly influence the outcomes of interference experiments involving entangled photons. The discussion highlights the complexity of the relationship between entanglement, coherence, and interference without reaching a consensus.

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Researchers and students interested in quantum mechanics, particularly those exploring the behavior of entangled photons in experimental setups, may find this discussion relevant.

boxfullofvacuumtubes
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Hi all,

I'm trying to understand how to describe the quantum state of entangled photons, including their phase, if one of them encounters a double-slit.

Here's a simple example:

Suppose you have two polarization-entangled photons A and B in the following Bell state:

\begin{equation}
\Phi=\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}\bigl(\left|H_{A},H_{B}\right\rangle + \left| V_{A},V_{B}\right\rangle\bigr)
\end{equation}

Suppose the photon A passes through a double-slit.

Is my understanding correct that a double-slit in the photon A's path creates a phase shift $$e^{i\Delta\phi}$$ because of unequal paths from each slit to a particular place on a screen? As the photon A can now take a path through one or the other slit, and there is a phase shift between the two, is the following true?

\begin{equation}
\left|H_{A},H_{B}\right\rangle \longrightarrow \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}\bigl(\left|H_{A},H_{B}\right\rangle\bigr) + e^{i\Delta\phi}\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}\bigl(\left|H_{A},H_{B}\right\rangle\bigr)
\end{equation}

\begin{equation}
\left|V_{A},V_{B}\right\rangle \longrightarrow \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}\bigl(\left|V_{A},V_{B}\right\rangle\bigr) + e^{i\Delta\phi}\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}\bigl(\left|V_{A},V_{B}\right\rangle\bigr)
\end{equation}

Therefore, can the resulting state be described by this?

\begin{equation}
\Phi=\frac{1}{2}\bigl(\bigl(1+e^{i\Delta\phi}\bigr)\left|H_{A},H_{B}\right\rangle + \bigl(1+e^{i\Delta\phi}\bigr)\left|V_{A},V_{B}\right\rangle \bigr)
\end{equation}

Or, is this a wrong way of including the phase shift in the quantum state of entangled photons?
 
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I have never heard of what you are describing about phase shift (although that shouldn't be taken as particularly meaningful by itself).

Generally, entangled photons do not exhibit interference on a double slit setup. That is because they are not coherent. If they are made coherent, then they will not be entangled. Not sure that affects your description, but somehow I think it would.
 
DrChinese said:
Generally, entangled photons do not exhibit interference on a double slit setup. That is because they are not coherent. If they are made coherent, then they will not be entangled. Not sure that affects your description, but somehow I think it would.

There have been some interesting experiments that have achieved interference either through a double-slit or through a Mach-Zehnder interferometer while using entangled photons. They typically use a laser pumping a nonlinear crystal that creates a pair of entangled photons by spontaneous parametric down-conversion (SPDC). One or both of these photons then go through an interferometer before detection. So, I guess the coherence length of this setup is sufficient if it's done right.

What I'd like to understand is the mathematical formalism that could describe this type of situations. But I'm not sure if the logic used in my post is all right.
 
boxfullofvacuumtubes said:
There have been some interesting experiments that have achieved interference either through a double-slit or through a Mach-Zehnder interferometer while using entangled photons. They typically use a laser pumping a nonlinear crystal that creates a pair of entangled photons by spontaneous parametric down-conversion (SPDC).

If you know of any papers showing SPDC photons and a double slit (with interference), I'd love to see one. Always looking for good new references. :smile:

This is what Zeilinger had to say, p. 290, Figure 2: Experiment and the foundations of quantum physics

"FIG. 2. A source emits pairs of particles with total zero momentum.
Particle 1 is either emitted into beams a or a' and
particle 2 into beams b or b' with perfect correlations between
a and b and a' and b', respectively. The beams of particle 1
then pass a double-slit assembly. Because of the perfect correlation
between the two particles, particle 2 can serve to find
out which slit particle 1 passed and therefore no interference
pattern arises."

I have not seen an experimental demonstration of this effect, however.
 
DrChinese said:
If you know of any papers showing SPDC photons and a double slit (with interference), I'd love to see one. Always looking for good new references. :smile:

Here are some papers that observed interference experimentally:
  • https://www.univie.ac.at/qfp/publications3/pdffiles/1995-17.pdf
  • Double-slit

Of course, interference arises only if there's no information about which path through the interferometer or double-slit the photon took. If two photons are entangled, the second photon may carry such information about the first photon, depending on the experimental setup.
 
boxfullofvacuumtubes said:
Here are some papers that observed interference experimentally:
Of course, interference arises only if there's no information about which path through the interferometer or double-slit the photon took. If two photons are entangled, the second photon may carry such information about the first photon, depending on the experimental setup.

This one I am familiar with. When there is interference here, I believe it is only seen via coincidence counting.
 

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