Phase shift in Mach-Zehnder interferometer

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The discussion revolves around the phase shifts encountered in a Mach-Zehnder interferometer, focusing on the differing explanations regarding the phase shifts associated with reflections at beam splitters. Participants explore the implications of using symmetric versus asymmetric beam splitters and how these configurations affect the resulting phase shifts.

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Main Points Raised

  • One explanation suggests that reflections at a beam splitter result in a 180-degree phase shift when light reflects from the front, while others argue that reflections can also yield a 90-degree phase shift.
  • Some participants note that both explanations can yield correct results for interference patterns, raising questions about the validity of each perspective.
  • A participant mentions that the phase difference for symmetric and lossless beam splitters is π/2, while acknowledging that asymmetric beam splitters may lead to different phase relations.
  • Another participant highlights the importance of analyzing the specific experimental setup, referencing classical electrodynamics and Fresnel's formulae as foundational concepts.
  • There is a recognition that the existence of both symmetric and asymmetric beam splitters contributes to the confusion, as some sources do not clarify this distinction.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of phase shifts in Mach-Zehnder interferometers, with no consensus reached on which explanation is definitively correct. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of using different types of beam splitters.

Contextual Notes

Limitations in the discussion include the lack of clarity on the definitions of symmetric and asymmetric beam splitters, as well as the specific conditions under which each phase shift explanation applies. There is also an absence of detailed mathematical derivations to support the claims made.

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Is the phase shift 90 or 180 degree on reflection?
I'm confused by the phase shifts in a Mach-Zehnder interferometer because I keep finding two different explanations.

One explanation (for example, given on Wikipedia, but also elsewhere) states that on each reflection, the phase shift is 180 degrees, but only, if light is reflected from the front of a beam-splitter but not from the back. In this explanation, the second beam splitter is reversed (as shown on the Wiki page).

However, there are other explanations like this given here:
https://chem.libretexts.org/Bookshe...m_Computer_with_a_Mach-Zehnder_Interferometerwhere it is stated that each reflection has a 90-degree phase shift.

Both explanations work (in the sense that they both give the correct result for constructive/destructive interference), but which one is correct? Or are they both correct because it is also possible to construct mirrors with 90-degree phase shifts (for example, by choosing the correct path length in a dielectric and putting the mirror surface always at the back)?

Thanks for any help.
 
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The correct answer is: It depends. For any symmetric and lossless beam splitter, you can easily show that the phase difference between the transmitted and reflected beam is necessarily π/2. However, not all beam splitters are symmetric. For example, the dielectric ones also mentioned in the wikipedia article are obviously not symmetric. If these are lossless, you instead arrive at a phase relation that ensures that ensures that \phi_{r,1}-\phi_{t,1}+\phi_{r,2}-\phi_{t,2}=\pi, where 1 and 2 would correspond to the red and blue beams in the wiki article, respectively.

A reasonable overview is given in this article and references therein:
https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1509/1509.00393.pdf
as well as in Agnesi and Degiorgio, "Beam splitter phase shifts: wave optics approach", Optics & Laser Technology 95, 72 (2017), which is unfortunately behind a paywall.
 
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@Aidyan and Cthugha
Funnily, the references you both provided on first sight again seemed to contradict each other - Zetie talking about 180° phase shift on reflection, Cthugha explaining that the shift is 90°
But thanks to the reference by Henault, I finally understand it: There are symmetric and asymmetric beam splitters, and in a symmetric beam splitters, the phase shift between transmitted and reflected is 90°.
Thanks for your help, that was what I needed.
 
Indeed, of course you have to analyze the specific experimental setup. The rules for phase shifts are explained already in classical electrodynamics. Just look up "Fresnel's formulae" in a good textbook on E&M or optics (e.g., Sommerfeld, Lectures vol. 4).
 
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@vanhees71
Thanks. I was just confused because my sources never mentioned that there would be alternative ways of doing it - some used the asymmetric beam splitters, some used symmetric ones, but none mentioned that both exist.
 
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