PhD in EU (UK) vs USA: Pros & Cons

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The discussion compares pursuing a PhD in the UK versus the USA, focusing on key aspects such as funding, duration, and institutional reputation. In the UK, students benefit from free tuition, scholarships around £15k per year, and a typical duration of 3-4 years without the need for teaching assistant roles. Conversely, US PhD programs generally last 5-6 years, offer full tuition waivers, and stipends ranging from $16k to $25k, but require coursework in the initial years. The conversation also highlights notable institutions in Europe, including ETH Zurich, Lund University, and TUM, emphasizing their research capabilities and funding structures.

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  • Understanding of PhD program structures in the UK and USA
  • Familiarity with funding options for graduate studies
  • Knowledge of key European universities and their research strengths
  • Awareness of the requirements for pursuing a PhD in different countries
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  • Research the PhD funding landscape in the USA, focusing on stipends and tuition waivers
  • Explore the application process for PhD programs at ETH Zurich and Lund University
  • Investigate the research opportunities available at TUM and LMU in Munich
  • Learn about the role of teaching assistants in US graduate programs
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Prospective PhD students in physics and mathematics, academic advisors, and anyone considering graduate studies in Europe or the USA will benefit from this discussion.

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Hi,

I was wondering where to choose to do a PhD. At the moment I'm studying Physics and Maths in the UK. After three years I am going to get a BS. Also, I am an EU national and therefore will have obtained a 'setled' status after three years, so after that time my status will be equal to British citizens. I hope to get a PhD in Oxbridge, Imperial or at least Edinburgh University here. I am interested in theoretical physics, most probably particle.

The main advantages of staying for a PhD in the UK:
1. free tuition
2. scholarship (roughly £15k per year, tax-free)
3. free health insurance
4. duration 3-4years
5. as far as I know, no need of becoming a TA

Disadvantages:
1. rainy weather
2. two taps in the bathroom
3. driving on the wrong side of the road

Can anyone tell me about the financial aspects and duration in the US?
Moreover, can anyone tell me is this is the working norm in the US? http://www.chemistry-blog.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/a40kI.png

If it is, then the fact that US gradschools are the best in the world does not surprise me at all and I do not think that I would like to become a no-lifer and would prefer to stay in the Europe.

Can anyone tell me more about other good places to study? E.g. Switzerland (ETH), Sweden (Lund), Germany (Heidelberg, Munich)?
 
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In the states the PhD usually takes 5-6 years during which you get in most cases a full tuition waiver and a good stipend(I've seen everything from 16K to 25k). You should apply after your Bachelor's since the first two years are course work. If you want to get your PhD in Europe you will have to get your Master's first.
 
Well, as for Sweden you will have to get your masters first, they won't trust that you know anything otherwise. but there are some interesting research going on, check out Lund University, Uppsala University, Umeå University, and maybe Chalmers Institute of Technology, in a decreasing order of how good they are, and where Lund and Uppsala are much bigger than the rest. In Lund you also have MAX-lab, a national synchotron light source and "soon" ESS, though these are experimental facilities, there are theorists as well.

and as for funding, no tuition, and PhD are payed as far ad I know, and Lund is a lovely town (a town where 50-60% living there are in academia)
 
Griaumedis said:
Disadvantages:
1. rainy weather
2. two taps in the bathroom
3. driving on the wrong side of the road


Cheers to those highlights :smile:

As for Munich, you got the TUM and LMU, however the PhD system in Germany is more or less the same. The TUM & LMU , both have active groups working on Physics beyond the standard model and so. TUM is an active participant in CERN activities. Munich also hosts the LRZ which offers computational facilities (clusters & supercomputing).

It is a paid position and does require a master degree or its equivalent. The pay varies between either 75% or 50% of the full PhD position, in numbers, The net salary for a full PhD position ~ 1900 euro. As far as I know, most people in Physics get 75%.
The duration is between 3-5 years (depends on many factors). Basically since the requirement is MSc, there are no required lectures for PhD (you can still attend lectures if you like).
Some tasks might include supervising labs or giving exercises, as per my knowledge, such activity is limited to once a week (e.g. one exercise a week).

In addition to the universities, there is also the possibility of doing a PhD at some external research institute (e.g. the Max Planck ones).
 

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