PhD in EU (UK) vs USA: Pros & Cons

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the pros and cons of pursuing a PhD in the UK versus the USA, with a focus on aspects such as duration, financial implications, and institutional differences. Participants also explore options in other European countries like Sweden and Germany.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant highlights advantages of a UK PhD, including free tuition, scholarships, free health insurance, and a shorter duration of 3-4 years, while noting the absence of teaching assistant responsibilities.
  • Disadvantages mentioned include personal preferences such as weather and driving norms.
  • Another participant states that in the USA, a PhD typically takes 5-6 years, with full tuition waivers and stipends ranging from $16k to $25k, and emphasizes the necessity of coursework in the first two years.
  • A participant discusses the requirement of obtaining a Master's degree before pursuing a PhD in Sweden, mentioning notable institutions and research facilities, and indicates that PhD positions are funded with no tuition fees.
  • Further details are provided about the German PhD system, noting that it requires a Master's degree, offers paid positions, and has a duration of 3-5 years, with some responsibilities related to lab supervision.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the advantages and disadvantages of pursuing a PhD in various countries, with no consensus reached on which option is superior. Multiple competing perspectives on funding, duration, and institutional requirements remain present.

Contextual Notes

Some participants mention specific funding amounts and conditions, but these may vary widely based on individual circumstances and institutional policies. The discussion reflects a range of experiences and expectations regarding PhD programs across different countries.

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Hi,

I was wondering where to choose to do a PhD. At the moment I'm studying Physics and Maths in the UK. After three years I am going to get a BS. Also, I am an EU national and therefore will have obtained a 'setled' status after three years, so after that time my status will be equal to British citizens. I hope to get a PhD in Oxbridge, Imperial or at least Edinburgh University here. I am interested in theoretical physics, most probably particle.

The main advantages of staying for a PhD in the UK:
1. free tuition
2. scholarship (roughly £15k per year, tax-free)
3. free health insurance
4. duration 3-4years
5. as far as I know, no need of becoming a TA

Disadvantages:
1. rainy weather
2. two taps in the bathroom
3. driving on the wrong side of the road

Can anyone tell me about the financial aspects and duration in the US?
Moreover, can anyone tell me is this is the working norm in the US? http://www.chemistry-blog.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/a40kI.png

If it is, then the fact that US gradschools are the best in the world does not surprise me at all and I do not think that I would like to become a no-lifer and would prefer to stay in the Europe.

Can anyone tell me more about other good places to study? E.g. Switzerland (ETH), Sweden (Lund), Germany (Heidelberg, Munich)?
 
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In the states the PhD usually takes 5-6 years during which you get in most cases a full tuition waiver and a good stipend(I've seen everything from 16K to 25k). You should apply after your Bachelor's since the first two years are course work. If you want to get your PhD in Europe you will have to get your Master's first.
 
Well, as for Sweden you will have to get your masters first, they won't trust that you know anything otherwise. but there are some interesting research going on, check out Lund University, Uppsala University, Umeå University, and maybe Chalmers Institute of Technology, in a decreasing order of how good they are, and where Lund and Uppsala are much bigger than the rest. In Lund you also have MAX-lab, a national synchotron light source and "soon" ESS, though these are experimental facilities, there are theorists as well.

and as for funding, no tuition, and PhD are payed as far ad I know, and Lund is a lovely town (a town where 50-60% living there are in academia)
 
Griaumedis said:
Disadvantages:
1. rainy weather
2. two taps in the bathroom
3. driving on the wrong side of the road


Cheers to those highlights :smile:

As for Munich, you got the TUM and LMU, however the PhD system in Germany is more or less the same. The TUM & LMU , both have active groups working on Physics beyond the standard model and so. TUM is an active participant in CERN activities. Munich also hosts the LRZ which offers computational facilities (clusters & supercomputing).

It is a paid position and does require a master degree or its equivalent. The pay varies between either 75% or 50% of the full PhD position, in numbers, The net salary for a full PhD position ~ 1900 euro. As far as I know, most people in Physics get 75%.
The duration is between 3-5 years (depends on many factors). Basically since the requirement is MSc, there are no required lectures for PhD (you can still attend lectures if you like).
Some tasks might include supervising labs or giving exercises, as per my knowledge, such activity is limited to once a week (e.g. one exercise a week).

In addition to the universities, there is also the possibility of doing a PhD at some external research institute (e.g. the Max Planck ones).
 

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