[PhD Qualifier] Commutation relation

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The discussion revolves around the properties of two quantum mechanical operators that obey a specific commutation relation, [\hat{A},\hat{B}]=i. Participants are evaluating statements regarding the simultaneous diagonalizability of the operators, their relationship to the Heisenberg uncertainty principle, their potential identification as spin operators, and the implications for a Hamiltonian that could describe a harmonic oscillator system.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the implications of the commutation relation on simultaneous observability and diagonalizability of the operators. There is uncertainty regarding the derivation of the Heisenberg uncertainty relation. Some participants explore the relationship between the operators and their potential identification as spin operators, while also considering the form of the Hamiltonian.

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Some participants have provided reasoning for their answers, particularly regarding the statements about simultaneous diagonalizability and the Hamiltonian. There is an acknowledgment of the need for further exploration of the Heisenberg uncertainty relation, with one participant suggesting the use of the Schwartz inequality. However, there is no explicit consensus on the correctness of the answers provided.

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Participants are operating under the constraints of a homework assignment, which may limit the depth of exploration and the information available for discussion. The original poster has requested verification of their logic and hints for further understanding.

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Homework Statement



Two quantum mechanical operators obey the following commutation relation.
[tex][\hat{A},\hat{B}]=i[/tex]​
Given this commutation relation which of the following are true or false? Justify your answers.
a) The two observables are simultaneously diagonalizable.
b) The two satisfy a Heisenberg uncertainty relation that has the form
[tex]\left<(\Delta\hat{A})^2\right>\left<(\Delta\hat{B})^2\right>\ge\frac{1}{4}[/tex]
c) They are spin operators.
d) The Hamiltonian [tex]\hat{H}=\hat{A}^2+\hat{B}^2[/tex] could describe a harmonic oscillator system.

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The Attempt at a Solution


a) False - simultaneously diagonalizable ==> simultaneously observable. Since they don't commute, they aren't simultaneously observable and can't be simultaneously diagonalizable.
b) No idea how to get there from here
c) They could be, but don't have to be. They satisfy a commutation relation for angular momentum (as do spin operators), but other angular momentum operators also satisfy the relation.
d) True. Dropping a factor of [tex]\hbar[/tex], A and B could be position and momentum operators (respectively), which gives a Hamiltonian of [tex]H=X^2+P^2[/tex].

I could use a hint or two on b, as well as someone verifying my logic for a, c, and d. Thanks!
 
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For b., and any other Heisenberg type relation, you need to invoke the schwartz inequality.
 
I suppose I can answer (b) using my observation from (d).

Let [tex]A=\frac{X}{\hbar}, B=P[/tex]. Heisenberg's relation is [tex]\Delta x\Delta p \ge \frac{\hbar}{2}[/tex], so [tex]\Delta a\Delta b\ge\frac{1}{2}[/tex]. Square it to get "true".

Can someone verify these answers for me?
 
I will tell you that b is true, but that's a tremendously ad hoc way to determine it.

If you have Griffith's "Quantum Mechanics" he performs the full derivation the uncertainty principle for two arbitrary operators.
 

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