Phosphates Colorimetric Determination

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The discussion revolves around the colorimetric determination of phosphate concentration in mixtures containing various phosphates and sodium oxide. Participants explore the validity of a specific analytical method and its applicability to the main components of the mixture, particularly in relation to the hydrolysis of polyphosphates to orthophosphates.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes a method for determining phosphate concentration using specific reagents and a calibration curve, but reports consistently low results compared to expected values.
  • Another participant questions whether the mentioned phosphates are polyphosphates and notes that the test method is specific for orthophosphate.
  • Some participants inquire if the sample treatment process would convert complex phosphates into orthophosphate, with one participant expressing uncertainty about their chemistry background.
  • A later reply suggests measuring the pH of the hydrolysis solution before heating, indicating that a low pH could facilitate the conversion of polyphosphates to orthophosphate. They express doubt about whether the amount of hydrochloric acid used is sufficient to achieve this.
  • Additional technical details are provided regarding the pKa values of phosphoric and pyrophosphoric acids, which may influence the hydrolysis process.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the applicability of the method for measuring phosphates, particularly regarding the conversion of polyphosphates to orthophosphates. The discussion remains unresolved as to whether the method is valid for the main components of the mixture.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations related to the assumptions about the hydrolysis process and the adequacy of the acid used to adjust the pH. The discussion also highlights the dependence on the definitions of phosphates and the specific conditions of the experimental setup.

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Hello all,
I am using the method below to determine the phosphate concentration of phosphate mixtures in powder form(sodium triphosphate, potassium triphosphate, sodium di and potassium diphosphate). The mixture also contains Na2O. The concentration of the mixture in P2O5 should be between 55 and 57%. Since I started analysing the samples I was always getting results that were around 45-50%.
the method I use is

Reagents- KH2PO4
- NaOH 10N
- concentrated HCl
- Solution of acids : 30ml of concentrated H2SO4 and 0,4ml of concentrated HNO3 in 100ml water
- Phenolphthalein indicator
- Solution of vanadomolybdate phosphoric acid :
20gr (NH4)6Mo7O¬24.4H¬2O in 100ml H2O (SA)
0,47gr NH4VO3 in 50ml H2O (SB)
Mix SA and SB, add 140ml of concentrated HNO3 in a 1L volumetric flask and fill with H2O.
(store in dark bottle)
All the solutions are prepared by using distilled water.

Equipment
- Common laboratory equipment
- Photometer

Calibration curve
Prepare the reference solution by dissolving 2,195gr of KH2PO4 in 1000ml water. Add 10ml of this solution in a 100ml volumetric flask and fill with water (S1). Prepare the following solutions according to the table below.

Solution ml of S1 ml of H2O μg of total phosphorous (P)
1 0 10 0
2 1 9 50
3 2 8 100
4 4 6 200
5 6 4 300

Add 10ml of vanadomolybdate phosphoric acid in each solution and wait for 10min. Measure the absorption at 430nm.


Sample preparation
Weight 0.5-3.0 gr of the sample (the weighted amount of the sample depends on the expected phosphate concentration) and add it in about 100ml of distilled water. Add drops of phenolphthalein indicator and then the sufficient volume of solution of acids until decolorization. Then add 2 ml of concentrated hydrochloric acid and boil the solution for at least 90 min under stirring (add water if necessary) for hydrolysis. After heating the desired volume of the solution should be about 25-50ml. Neutralize the solution by adding 10N NaOH and then add water to a final volume of 1L. Add 10ml of the prepared solution in a 100ml volumetric flask and fill with water.

Experimental procedure
Mix 10ml of the prepared sample solution and 10ml of vanadomolybdate phosphoric acid solution. Wait for 10min and measure the absorption at 430nm.

Calculation of P2O5
Use the calibration curve to convert the absorption at 430nm to μg of P. Then calculate the %P2O5 using the formula:
%P2O5 = x*142 / 620*W
where x= μg of P calculated from the calibration curve
W = gr of sample weight

after discussing the results with my supplier he told me that the method is not valid because the dilution factor is too high, and that the method is valid for impurities only.
Could someone explain to me why this method is not applicable when phosphates are the main component of the mixture

Thanks in advance
 
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When you write '...sodium triphosphate, potassium triphosphate, sodium di and potassium diphosphate...' you are referring to the polyphosphates, yes?


Your test method is specific for orthophosphate.
 
Would the sample treatment preparation process break the more complex phosphates into orthophosphate?
 
symbolipoint said:
Would the sample treatment preparation process break the more complex phosphates into orthophosphate?

thats how I understand it (I am not a chemist by the way..)
 
That is a good question. Have you ever measured the pH of the hydrolysis solution before you heat it? If the pH is low (<2) the method should convert all polyphosphate to orthophosphate. Phenolpthalein will decolorize at about pH 8-10 so you start with a slightly basic buffer solution. The buffer solution is the partly protonated polyphosphates. I'm not sure if 2 mL of HCl (37%) is enough to lower the pH of your hydrolysis solution but it sounds like it should. Still, it is a good idea to check the pH of the hydrolysis solution before you start heating it (after you add the 2 mL of HCl) just to be sure. I would use methyl orange (pH of change is 3-4) in place of phenolphthalein just to be sure I've overcome any buffering capacity of the polyphosphates.

edit:

pKa's for phosphoric acid (H3PO4):
pKa1 = 2.16
pKa2 = 7.21
pKa3 = 12.32

pKa's for pyrophosphoric acid (H4P2O7):
pKa1 = 0.91
pKa2 = 2.10
pKa3 = 6.70
pKa4 = 9.32
 
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