Photo-degradation of a biological sample

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The discussion revolves around the appropriate measurement for studying photo-induced degradation of a biological sample when exposed to 520 nm monochromatic light. Participants explore whether irradiance (mW/cm²) or dose (mJ/cm²) is more suitable for this context, considering the sample's non-flat, arc-like geometry and its potential for photo-bleaching over time.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that total dose is more relevant since it accumulates over time, relating it to the concept that one watt equals one joule per second.
  • Another participant clarifies that the geometry of the light source and the shape of the sample (concave or convex) may influence the results.
  • A later reply questions whether irradiance integrated over time is equivalent to dose, leading to a discussion on the relationship between the two concepts.
  • One participant emphasizes the importance of considering the thermal effects and the material properties of the sample, suggesting that the thermal conductivity and the nature of the biological material could impact the damage incurred.
  • There is a proposal that both total and peak energy should be studied to determine which is more significant in relation to damage from illumination.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether irradiance or dose is more appropriate for the study, with no consensus reached. The discussion includes various assumptions about experimental conditions and the biological nature of the sample, indicating ongoing uncertainty.

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Limitations include assumptions about the experimental setup, the specific chemistry of the surface, and the thermal effects related to the sample's properties. The discussion does not resolve these uncertainties.

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What the group thoughts are in relation to an experiment in which 520 nm monochromatic light will strike a biological sample, which it is not flat (most like resembling an arc) and can photo-bleach over time. Would irradiance (mW/cm2) or dose (mJ/cm2) be more appropriate to carry on studies on photo-induced degradation of the sample over time?
 
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We see 520 nm as green, (at the blue end), daylight, near the peak of our vision.

The geometry of the source of 520 nm radiation, and whether the “arc” is a concave or a convex surface, may make a difference.

Total dose would be more relevant, since the sample accumulates joules and damage over time.
One watt is one joule per second.
 
thank you.

light source it is going to be incoherent, from LED(s). Target surface receiving illumination is approximately concave in shape.

any references by chance, discussing the physics (papers or textbook)...

irradiance integrated over time isn't dose?
 
alemns said:
irradiance integrated over time isn't dose?
The damage will be proportional to the dose, which is the integral of the irradiance, over time.
Dose (mJ/cm2) = exposure_time (seconds) * irradiance (mW/cm2);
 
alemns said:
Would irradiance (mW/cm2) or dose (mJ/cm2) be more appropriate to carry on studies on photo-induced degradation of the sample over time?
I guess there have been assumptions about the actual experimental conditions and the chemistry of the surface.

The information in the OP is a bit sparse. the thermal effect would depend on the Mean Power over a period that's dependent on the actual nature of the surface.

If the potential damage relates to peaks of temperature then you'd need to know what temperature the surface could reach. What is the thermal Conductivity of the material? If the 'material' is 'alive' then we can't make any reliable predictions. Some living cells are very dependent on peaks of incident energy. (Consider the damage from exposure to sunlight.) This may or may not be relevant, of course but it would affect which of the quantities should be measured.

If the whole exercise is about damage related to illumination in general then perhaps both total (or medium term mean) and peak (short term) Energy should be studied. The experiment would reveal which is the important one.
 

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