Photon absorption by electrons at opposite k-points

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the absorption of photons by electrons transitioning between the valence and conduction bands, particularly focusing on the implications of momentum changes at opposite k-points in the Brillouin zone. Participants explore the theoretical aspects of electron transitions, momentum conservation, and the effective mass of electrons and holes in this context.

Discussion Character

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  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the direction of radiation affects electron transitions, proposing that transitions at k and -k cannot occur simultaneously due to opposing group velocities.
  • Another participant questions the relative size of photon momentum compared to the Brillouin zone, indicating that the photon momentum is too small to affect crystal momentum but can change real momentum.
  • A participant notes that when an electron transitions from the valence band to the conduction band, it moves almost vertically in the E-k diagram, while still adhering to momentum conservation despite a reversal in velocity direction.
  • There is a discussion about the effective mass of electrons and holes, with one participant asserting that the effective mass of a hole is negative, while another argues that the effective mass of an electron in the valence band is not negative.
  • One participant references the Moessbauer effect as an analogy for momentum considerations in photon absorption, emphasizing that the whole crystal's mass absorbs the momentum.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the effective mass of electrons and holes, with no consensus reached on this aspect. There is also disagreement regarding the implications of photon momentum on electron transitions and the directionality of these transitions.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions regarding the effective mass and the treatment of momentum in the context of the crystal's mass are not fully resolved. The discussion includes varying interpretations of momentum conservation and the behavior of electrons and holes during transitions.

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Transition of an electron from the valence to conduction bands (direct transition at a k-point near the band edge) would change the momentum of electron because the sign of the group velocity in valence and conduction bands are opposite. Could one infer that the direction of radiation is a determining factor in the transition? In other words, by radiating light from a specific direction, if we have transition at k we can not have the same transition at -k because if the radiation could change the group velocity at k from v to -v, it would change the group velocity at -k from -v to -2v while according to band structure the transition at -k requires changing from -v to v!
 
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How large is the momentum of a photon compared to the size of the Brillouin zone?
 
M Quack said:
How large is the momentum of a photon compared to the size of the Brillouin zone?
The momentum of photon is too small to change the crystal momentum of electron but it changes the real momentum of electron because ##v_g={1/\hbar} \nabla_k E## and assuming parabolic valence and conduction bands (with the same effective mass) this formula says that the velocity changes from, say, v to -v in the optical transition.
 
The assumption is always that the real momentum is taken up by the whole crystal, which has a huge mass, and therefore the resulting velocity is nothing.
A very good example for this is the Moessbauer effect (OK, photons are absorbed/emitted by the nuclei, but the principle is the same).
 
M Quack said:
The assumption is always that the real momentum is taken up by the whole crystal, which has a huge mass, and therefore the resulting velocity is nothing.
A very good example for this is the Moessbauer effect (OK, photons are absorbed/emitted by the nuclei, but the principle is the same).
No, this problem occurs even if we don't suppose the phonon effect.
 
When a transition happens that an electron jumps from VB to CB by being excited only by a photon, the electron always jumps almost vertically in the E-k diagram. The momentum conversation is still held though the election velocity direction becomes reverse. But do not forget that its effective mass also becomes from negative into positive. As usual people prefer to use h with bar *k to describe the momentum instead of mv for simplicity. In the way. You just need to check k for the direction of momentum of electron.
 
zhanghe said:
But do not forget that its effective mass also becomes from negative into positive.
Thanks. But I don't agree. The hole effective mass is negative (valence band) but it is not true for an electron which is still in the valence band. To describe the behavior of the whole valence band which has lost an electron, we use the hole language and consider a negative effective mass for the hole.
 
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hokhani said:
Thanks. But I don't agree. The hole effective mass is negative (valence band) but it is not true for an electron which is still in the valence band.
Well, the m* of hole is positive.
 

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