Photon excitation to full orbitals

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The discussion centers on photon excitation and its limitations regarding filled orbitals, specifically in the context of the Pauli exclusion principle. It is established that an electron cannot be excited to an already filled orbital, which prevents absorption of photons corresponding to energy differences between certain energy levels, such as n=1 and n=2, when n=3 is filled. The phenomenon of Spectral Hole Burning is highlighted, demonstrating that materials can become transparent to specific frequencies when upper absorption levels are filled. This principle applies broadly to fermions, not just electrons.

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In introductory physics and chemistry, photon excitation is usually illstrated with a simple hydrogen molecule. I am wondering what happens if an electron is excited to an orbital that is already full. Would the orbital split up into different energy levels as hybridisation, so as not to violate the pauli exlusion principle?
 
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You can't excite an electron to a filled orbital.
 
So that means that a photon with energy corresponding to the energy difference between, say n=1 and n=2, would not be absorbed if n=3 is filled?
 
ngc2024 said:
So that means that a photon with energy corresponding to the energy difference between, say n=1 and n=2, would not be absorbed if n=3 is filled?
These numbers are not quite correct. But say that you have F- in the electronic configuration 1s22s22p6: even if you have photons of energy E2p-E1s, there will be no absorption, while you would have absorption for neutral fluorine.
 
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The phenomenon is called Spectral Hole Burning. If the upper absorption level is not full, the material will absorb the light. But you can selectively fill upper levels and make the material transparent to that particular frequency. Here is a reference:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spectral_hole_burning
 
Chandra Prayaga said:
The phenomenon is called Spectral Hole Burning.
Just to be clear: while spectral hole burning is a manifestation of what we are discussing, it applies only to cases where there is initially absorption. In the example I mentioned, the orbitals were already filled.
 
Thank you both - that is very interesting!
 
It has to do with Pauli's exclusion principle. No two electrons can occupy the same quantum state. So you cannot excite an electron to a filled orbital.
Note: Pauli's exclusion principle does not apply only to electrons but to an entire class of particles- fermions.
 
DrClaude said:
Just to be clear: while spectral hole burning is a manifestation of what we are discussing, it applies only to cases where there is initially absorption. In the example I mentioned, the orbitals were already filled.
Yes. All that has happened in your case is that you are half way through the process.
 
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Not to be offtopic, but isn't this more of a general chemistry related question? This is exactly what I learned in my chemistry class.
 

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