Photon interference and beamforming

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The discussion centers on photon interference, particularly in the context of the double-slit experiment and its implications for beamforming with antennas. Participants explore the nature of photon interactions, self-interference, and the potential for interference between different photons.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes the double-slit experiment, proposing three cases for photon interference when two photons are sent simultaneously, concluding that case 2 (self-interference) is what occurs based on experimental observations.
  • Another participant suggests that photons are not point particles and that their behavior in experiments is a result of superpositions of all possible paths, leading to focused beams in beamforming applications.
  • A participant introduces the concept of coherent states in quantum field theory as a representation of classical electromagnetic waves.
  • Roy Glauber is cited, challenging Dirac's assertion that "each photon then interferes only with itself," arguing that interference can occur between different photons under certain conditions.
  • Further discussion highlights the importance of context in interpreting Dirac's statements, emphasizing that the wave function relates to the probability of a single photon rather than the number of photons.
  • Concerns are raised about the implications of Glauber's findings for Dirac's views, particularly regarding conservation of energy in photon interference scenarios.
  • Questions are posed about the consequences of allowing interference between different photons, particularly regarding peak intensity predictions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the validity of Dirac's statement about photon interference. Some argue that different photons can interfere under specific conditions, while others uphold Dirac's original assertion. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing views present.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the interpretation of photon interference is complex and may depend on the stability of relative phases between different light sources. The discussion also touches on the historical context of quantum optics and the evolution of understanding regarding photon behavior.

  • #61
I am led to believe that there are still some missing pieces to the puzzle. In the last 40 years there have been a couple experiments, where as I recall, they showed interference with a beamsplitter (or beamsplitters) and a single photon. The researchers didn't know before the experiment what the outcome would be. Perhaps there is a standard textbook that covers these topics in detail. @vanhees71 Can you furnish us with a good reference that has most of the latest on the subject, and hopefully is also somewhat easy reading?

Edit: I did a little searching of my own: See https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/interference-of-a-single-photon-in-an-interferometer.920022/ I see this topic has been discussed on Physics Forums in the last couple of years, and the discussion is interesting.
 
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Charles Link said:
Edit: I did a little searching of my own: See https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/interference-of-a-single-photon-in-an-interferometer.920022/ I see this topic has been discussed on Physics Forums in the last couple of years, and the discussion is interesting.
Post #27 from that topic cites the following statement:
"Interference can occur if two or more different ways to produce the same result cannot be distinguished with the apparatus."

Now let's apply it to the case of two photons that are emitted at exactly the same time from two sources that are in perfect phase sync. At the screen there is no way to tell which photon is which, so they cannot be distinguished and interference will occur.
Does my post #52 describe this correctly?
In other words, do we have a two-photon state which is a superposition of "both photons emitted by first source" and "both photons emitted by second source"?
 
  • #63
antonantal said:
Now let's apply it to the case of two photons that are emitted at exactly the same time from two sources that are in perfect phase sync.
Isn't this a very unreal scenario? How would you be able to tell that they are emitted at exactly the same time? Not being like little bullets, they cannot be put past a start line with a stop watch. Only when you consider a single photon can you discuss anything "exactly" the same between the two possible paths by the two 'alternative' versions of the photon which interfere with each other.

It's a bit late to be going over the basics of this thread but, just to make sure I have appreciated the principles of the experiments, it seems to me that individual photons are 'gated' through a shutter and then delay adjusted to be equal so that they pass through a slit each. Then, when everything is arranged correctly, a 'conventional' two slit pattern is observed. Is this in any way along the right lines? (I have to apologise if my idea is too much like the RF equivalent.)
 
  • #64
@sophiecentaur , you are correct, what I meant by "emitted at the same time" is just that "they are emitted in such a way that they could interfere at the screen".
 
  • #65
antonantal said:
@sophiecentaur , you are correct, what I meant by "emitted at the same time" is just that "they are emitted in such a way that they could interfere at the screen".
It worries me that it’s such a big IF.
But, once they have shown interference in space then why not also in time? (ie all the other interference phenomena) it all seems to hang on coherence - as ever.
 

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