Isospin of Photon: How Can I3 Values be Determined?

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The discussion centers around the isospin of the photon, specifically how to determine its I3 values. Participants explore theoretical frameworks, particularly in the context of electroweak theory, and consider the implications for scattering problems. The conversation includes conceptual clarifications and technical reasoning related to isospin states.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses curiosity about the isospin of the photon, noting that it is suggested to be a linear combination of I=1 and I=0, and questions the implications for I3 values.
  • Another participant states that for I=1, the allowed values of the isospin projection I3 are -1, 0, and 1.
  • A participant introduces the context of electroweak theory, mentioning that W+ and W- change isospin, and discusses the relationship between the Z boson and the photon in terms of isospin projections and the Weinberg angle.
  • One participant seeks clarification on the specific I3 value(s) for the photon if it has I=1, considering the role of other exchange bosons in isospin space.
  • Another participant postulates the existence of two different particles (W0 and B0) corresponding to isospin states |1,0> and |0,0>, suggesting that these are bookkeeping states rather than observables, with the photon being a linear combination of these states.
  • One participant expresses that the discussion has helped clarify their understanding of allowable isospin channels for scattering problems.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the specific I3 values for the photon, and multiple competing views regarding the interpretation of isospin states and their implications remain present throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

The discussion involves complex theoretical concepts that may depend on specific definitions and interpretations within the framework of electroweak theory. The relationship between isospin states and observable particles is not fully resolved.

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I'm curious about the isospin of a photon. I have been told it is a linear combination of I=1 and I=0. If I=0, then I3 must be 0, but if I=1, what values of I3 are allowed?

I don't really have a good idea of how to think about the isospin of this boson because I can't break it down into quarks like I can for pions.

Any clarifications are appreciated.
 
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For I = 1, the allowed values of the isospin projection I3 are -1,0,1.
 
bkfizz02 probably your informant was thinking from the point of view of electroweak theory. There you have four particles, W+ W- Z and photon. It is obvious that W+ and W- change isospin, and one could think that Z is the 0 projection of the I=1 triplet. It is not; because such projection combines with the I=0 singlet to give both the Z and the photon. The mixing angle is called Weinberg angle.

In any case it is very rare to think of electroweak bosons in this way.
 
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xeguy: Thanks, I guess I should have been more specific. I was curious what the specfic I3 value(s) is for the photon if it has I=1 because there are other exchange bosons that probably help span the spin 1 isospin space.

arivero:
Ok, this makes sense. I think I have heard it postulated that there exist to different particles (W0 and B0) which are the isospin states |1,0> and |0,0> respectively, but they are for book keeping and not observables. The observables are the Z and photon which are the usual linear combinations for the I3=0 states.

So, I think that I can think of the photon as a linear combination of |1,0> and |0,0> in isopsin space. My main motivation is for figuring out allowable isospin channels for a wide range of scattering problems, so this has given me a good starting point.


Thanks both for getting my thinking back on track.

Cheers.
 

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