Photon vs other fundamental particles - decoherence

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the properties of photons compared to other fundamental particles, particularly electrons, in the context of decoherence and entanglement during single particle interference experiments. It explores the interactions of these particles with their environment and the conditions under which they can exhibit interference without the need for a vacuum.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants inquire about the properties that make photons less likely to decohere or entangle with the environment compared to electrons during interference experiments.
  • One participant notes that photons interact only electromagnetically, which is a weak interaction, and that surrounding matter is nearly electrically neutral, making it easier for photons to remain free from interactions.
  • Another participant questions what other interactions, beyond electromagnetic, electrons experience that photons do not, suggesting a comparison of interaction strengths.
  • There is a discussion about whether a nearly free photon is assumed to be entangled with itself.
  • It is mentioned that the photon is neutral while the electron is charged, implying that the electromagnetic interactions of the electron are stronger.
  • One participant points out that photon sources are generally easier to set up and manage than electron sources.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints regarding the interactions of photons and electrons, with no clear consensus on the properties that lead to differences in decoherence and entanglement. The discussion remains unresolved with competing ideas presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not fully explored the implications of entanglement or the specific conditions under which interference occurs, leaving some assumptions and definitions unaddressed.

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1. What (property) makes a photon less likely to decohere/(entangle with the environment) relative to other "fundamental" particles (non leptons?) such as an electron?...say during single particle interference experiment

Photon single particle interference can done without the need for a vacuum.



2 Which other "fundamental" particles can show interference (easily) without having to create a vacuum?
 
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Photons are interacting only electromagnetically, which is a pretty weak interaction, and the surrounding matter in our labs is (nearly) electrically neutral. So it's pretty easy to keep a photon nearly free, i.e., not undergoing interactions with surrounding matter.
 
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vanhees71 said:
Photons are interacting only electromagnetically, which is a pretty weak interaction, and the surrounding matter in our labs is (nearly) electrically neutral. So it's pretty easy to keep a photon nearly free, i.e., not undergoing interactions with surrounding matter.
Thanks vanhees.

So besides electromagnetic what other (not so weak) interaction does an electron have? (That a photon doesn't)

When we keep a photon nearly free - is the photon assumed entangled with itself?
 
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San K said:
Thanks vanhees.

So besides electromagnetic what other (not so weak) interaction does an electron have? (That a photon doesn't)

When we keep a photon nearly free - is the photon assumed entangled with itself?

The photon is neutral, while the electron is charged - thus even the electromagnetic interactions of the electron are stronger.

As a practical matter, photon sources are also easier to set up and manage than electron sources.
 
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San K said:
1. What (property) makes a photon less likely to decohere/(entangle with the environment)

and/or more prone to deco/entaspin orientation.
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