Photons Affected by Pseudo Forces | Hyperspace by Michio Kaku

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The discussion centers around the behavior of light in curved space-time, particularly in the context of general relativity as introduced in Michio Kaku's book "Hyperspace." Participants explore the reasons behind the bending of light rays in accelerating frames and the implications of space-time curvature due to gravitation.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that light rays bend due to the curvature of space-time, stating that null geodesics are locally straight but globally curved.
  • Another participant questions the assumption that space-time is globally curved rather than straight.
  • It is suggested that the bending of light in an accelerating spaceship is due to the ship's motion relative to the light's emission and that this can be analogously applied to gravitational fields through the principle of equivalence.
  • A participant raises the question of why gravitation necessitates a curved space-time, referencing the strong equivalence principle as a potential explanation.
  • Experimental evidence is mentioned regarding the spatial part of space-time curvature, specifically through measurements of the PPN parameter gamma, which relates to light deflection and the Shapiro effect.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of space-time curvature and its implications for light behavior. There is no consensus on the reasons for light bending or the necessity of curved space-time in relation to gravitation.

Contextual Notes

Participants discuss the implications of the principle of equivalence and the experimental validation of space-time curvature, but the discussion remains open-ended regarding the foundational reasons behind these phenomena.

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I was reading a book called "Hyperspace", by Michio Kaku, and there he gave a sort of introduction to general relativity. Well its not at all technical, just for reading and knowing...

There he claimed that space is curved because light rays will take a bent path inside an accelerating spaceship.

But he didn't explain why light rays would bend in the first place!
 
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Light rays "bend" because space-time is curved not the other way around. More precisely, null geodesics in curved space-times will only locally be straight lines. Globally they will be non-trivial curves.
 
Okay, so why do we take space-time to be globally curved and not straight?
 
Do you mean not flat? In Einstein's theory it's because gravitation manifests itself as the curvature of space-time.
 
Light rays bend in an accelerating spaceship for a very simple reason: the ship moves between emission on e.g. one wall, and the light hitting the other wall. Thus, within the ship, the light appears to follow a curved path.

The way to get from this to light bending in a gravitational field is the principle of equivalence. This says that locally, anything that happens in an accelerating rocket will happen indistinguishably in lab sitting on ground of large gravitating body (crudely, but good enough for our purpose). This principle has been verified to high precision and great generality. Thus light bends in the Earth lab. However, since the Earth lab is static, what accounts for light bending in this static scenario? Further, the direction of bending is toward the earth, everywhere around the earth. A reasonable way to account for this is curvature. By analogy, the straightest possible lines on a sphere curve, and two initially parallel geodesics (straightest possible lines) can converge or diverge.

This is all very much a hand wave, but it is possible to make this type of argument rigorously.
 
And why does gravitation require a curved space-time?
 
deep838 said:
And why does gravitation require a curved space-time?
This is a consequence of the strong equivalence principle, at least from the way Einstein chose to use it.
 
Ok... thanks to both of you for making this a bit more understandable.
 
I should add to this that experimentally, we've observed the spatial part of space-time curvature. This is shown in particular by measurements of the PPN parameter gamma, by either light deflection and/or the Shapiro effect.

gamma = 0 is consistent with no spatial curvature, and is not consistent with measured results. gamma=1 is the amount of curvature predicted by GR, and is consistent with experimental results.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parameterized_post-Newtonian_formalism in particular mentions that Cassini tracking puts |gamma-1| < .000023, where gamma is somewhat loosely described as "How much space curvature g_{ij} is produced by unit rest mass".
 

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