Physical Chemistry- Rates and Kinetics

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a homework problem related to the rates and kinetics of a chemical reaction involving nitric oxide and chlorine. Participants are analyzing the reaction's stoichiometry and calculating the rate of reaction at a specific point, while addressing potential errors in the calculations and assumptions made by one another.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents an initial calculation for the rate of reaction based on given concentrations and the rate equation.
  • Another participant questions the accuracy of the initial calculations and asks how much nitric oxide (NO) was consumed along with chlorine (Cl2).
  • A subsequent reply indicates a misunderstanding of the stoichiometry, suggesting that half the amount of NO is consumed when half of Cl2 is used.
  • Another participant corrects this by emphasizing the 2:1 molar ratio between NO and Cl2, stating that if one mole of Cl2 is consumed, then two moles of NO are consumed.
  • Further replies highlight mistakes in the calculations and the importance of correctly determining concentrations based on the stoichiometry of the reaction.
  • One participant expresses confusion about the implications of concentration calculations when reactants are consumed.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the correct approach to calculating the rate of reaction after half of the chlorine has reacted. There are multiple competing views regarding the stoichiometric relationships and the resulting concentrations.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding the application of stoichiometry in their calculations and the implications of reactant concentrations as they change during the reaction.

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Homework Statement



The Reaction; 2NO(g) + Cl2 (g) → 2NOCl (g)

Is second order in NO and first order in Cl2. Five moles of nitric oxide and two moles of Cl2 were brought together in a volume of 2dm3 and initial rate was 2.4x10-3 moldm-3sec-1. What will be the rate when one half of the chlorine has reacted?

Homework Equations



Rate = k [NO]2 [Cl2]


The Attempt at a Solution



Initial Rate= 2.4x10-3 moldm-3sec-1

2.4x10-3 = k [NO]2 [Cl2]

5mols of NO in 2dm3
= 5mols in 2L
∴ 1L contains 2.5mols
[NO] = 2.5M

2mols of Cl2 in 2dm3
= 2mols in 2L
∴ 1L contains 1mol
[Cl2] = 1M

2.4x10-3 = k (2.5)2 (1)
k = 2.4x10-3/6.25
= 0.000384

When half of the chorine is used (1mol), molarity = 0.5M

∴ Rate = (0.000384) (2.5)2 (0.5)
Rate = 0.0012moldm-3sec-1

Am I going about this the right way or this completely wrong?
 
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Close, but no cigar yet.

How much NO was consumed together with the chlorine?
 
Wait, sorry I read the question wrong. Don't mind me, listen to Borek.
 
Borek said:
Close, but no cigar yet.

How much NO was consumed together with the chlorine?

So does that mean that since half the Cl2 (0.5mols) is used then half the NO is used (2.5mols)?

[NO] 2.5mols in 2dm3
2.5mols in 2L
∴ 1L = 1.25mols
[NO] = 1.25M

Rate = (0.000384) (1.25)2 (0.5)
= 0.0003moldm-3sec-1
 
chanderjeet said:
So does that mean that since half the Cl2 (0.5mols) is used then half the NO is used (2.5mols)?

No, it is not about "half". It is a trivial stoichiometry.
 
Borek said:
No, it is not about "half". It is a trivial stoichiometry.

From the balanced equation, a 2: 1 mol ratio is noted between NO and Cl2

So if one mol of Cl2 is used up then 2 mols NO would be used up

[NO] = 1M
[Cl2] = 0.5M

Rate= (0.000384) (1)2 (0.5)
= 0.000192moldm-3s-1
 
No.

Please pay attention to what you are doing, you have made a second careless mistake. You were right up to 2 moles of NO being consumed.
 
Borek said:
No.

Please pay attention to what you are doing, you have made a second careless mistake. You were right up to 2 moles of NO being consumed.

I thought the volume was given so that the concentration can calculated an utilized in the rate expression. Am I not supposed to calculate the concentration based on the mols being consumed? :confused:
 
Using your logic once all chlorine is consumed, and there is no more chlorine present, its concentration is 1 M, as 2 moles were consumed. So all was consumed, but the concentration has the maximum value. Something doesn't sound right.
 

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