Physics 11 kinetic and potential energy2

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The discussion revolves around the concepts of kinetic and potential energy in the context of a problem involving a sack of grain being lifted in a grain elevator. Participants explore the relationships between work done, potential energy at a height, and kinetic energy just before impact.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mixed

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the equivalence of work done to lift the sack and the potential energy at the top. Questions arise about the relationship between potential energy and kinetic energy as the sack falls. Some participants express confusion about the underlying principles, such as the conservation of energy.

Discussion Status

There is an active exploration of the concepts, with some participants questioning the reasoning behind the relationships between energy forms. Guidance has been offered regarding the conservation of energy, although not all participants seem to fully grasp the implications.

Contextual Notes

Participants are grappling with foundational concepts in energy conservation and the work-energy theorem, indicating a need for clarification on these principles. The discussion reflects varying levels of understanding among participants.

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Homework Statement



A 98N sack of grain is hoisted to a storage room 50m above the ground floor of a grain elevator.
a) how much work was required
b) what is the potential energy of the sack of grain at this height
c) the rope being used to lift the sack of grain breaks just as the sack reaches the storage room. what kinetic energy does the sack have just before it strikes the ground floor?

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The Attempt at a Solution



i got the same answer each time. I got 4.9x10^3 for a, b and c
 
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Me too. Do you know why they're all the same?
 
the work-energy therom?
 
and if an object was falling and was losing 400J of potential energy how much kinetic energy would it gain?
 
funny dude.

OK, for each specific case:
Why does energy needed to lift=potential energy at top?
More basically, why does potential energy at top=kinetic energy at bottom?
 
Iceclover said:
and if an object was falling and was losing 400J of potential energy how much kinetic energy would it gain?

No, no. You tell me. This be basic, basic theorem. Veeeerrrrrrry important. And it is not the Work-Energy Theorem (though \it could be related to it rather neatly).
 
would it gain 400J? i really just don't get this
 
Yes it would be 400J. There's not much to get. The conservation of energy states quite simply that under certain conditions, mechanical energy remains constant. This is written up as E_{mec}=K+U=constant (K is kinetic energy and U is potential energy).

So any loss in potential energy requires an equal gain in kinetic energy, and vice-versa.

The usual analogy is of two glasses and a given amount of liquid. If you pour the liquid from one glass to the other (without spilling), whatever amount one glass loses, the other glass gains.
 

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