Physics behind Newton's Cradle

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The discussion revolves around the physics of Newton's Cradle, specifically focusing on the conservation of momentum and energy when one ball is released and the resulting motion of the balls on the opposite side. The scope includes theoretical considerations and mathematical reasoning related to kinetic energy and momentum conservation.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the conservation of momentum should result in two balls swinging at half the speed when one ball is released.
  • Another participant counters that energy conservation is also a factor, noting that two balls at half the speed would only possess half the energy of the original single ball.
  • It is mentioned that the typical steel balls used in Newton's Cradle are efficiently elastic, which helps conserve energy, unlike non-elastic materials that would lose more energy as heat.
  • Questions are raised about the relationship between kinetic energy and velocity, specifically regarding the calculation of kinetic energies for the balls in motion.
  • Some participants propose that if two balls move with velocity V/2, the system could still conserve energy, but this raises questions about momentum conservation.
  • One participant points out that momentum would not be conserved if multiple balls were to move at V/2.
  • Links to external articles providing explanations of Newton's Cradle are shared, indicating a search for further clarification on the topic.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the conservation of energy and momentum in the context of Newton's Cradle. There is no consensus on whether two balls moving at half the speed would adequately conserve energy while also maintaining momentum.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not fully resolved the mathematical relationships between kinetic energy and velocity in this scenario, and assumptions about the properties of the balls (elastic vs. non-elastic) may influence the discussion.

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So, since the Newtons cradle is all about the conservation of momentum. I was wondering, when one ball is released from one side at a certain velocity, why doesn't two balls at the end swing, at half the original speed?
 
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It's not just conservation of momentum. Most of the energy is conserved too. Two balls at half the speed would only be half the energy.
 
The usual steel balls used in the Newtons Cradle are efficiently elastic, meaning they don't lose a lot of energy as heat. This implies most of the energy is conserved. If some other non-elastic material was used, this wouldn't be the case.
 
why would two balls be only half the energy?
 
litaa_95 said:
why would two balls be only half the energy?

Say the initial single ball of mass m has velocity V, and the two balls each(of mass m) have velocity V/2. Can you find out their kinetic energies and co-relate them?
 
Then why couldn't the other 4 balls move with velocity V/2? In this case both sides have equal kinetic energy, thereby conserving the energy in the system.
 
fermat007 said:
Then why couldn't the other 4 balls move with velocity V/2? In this case both sides have equal kinetic energy, thereby conserving the energy in the system.

The momentum isn't conserved in this case :wink:
 
Link to article with good explanation of Neton's cradle:

http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/scenario/cradle.htm
 
rcgldr said:
Link to article with good explanation of Neton's cradle:

http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/scenario/cradle.htm

Thats brilliant
thanks for the link :)

Dave
 

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