Physics Behind Time Loops In Movies?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion explores the physics behind time loops as depicted in movies such as Groundhog Day and Edge of Tomorrow. Participants examine whether there are any scientific mechanisms that could explain these fictional concepts, touching on theories related to time travel and gravity.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Exploratory

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants argue that there is no physics behind time loops, suggesting they are merely narrative devices without scientific basis.
  • Others propose that gravity is the only known mechanism that can affect time, but clarify that it does not cause time loops, only differential aging.
  • A participant mentions the concept of closed timelike curves (CTCs) as a potential theoretical framework for discussing time loops.
  • There is a reference to the need for exotic matter to facilitate time travel, which remains hypothetical and unproven.
  • One participant expresses the enjoyment of sci-fi narratives involving time loops, emphasizing their imaginative appeal rather than their scientific accuracy.
  • Several participants share links to external resources discussing time travel possibilities and related concepts.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the existence of a scientific basis for time loops, with some asserting there is none while others introduce theoretical concepts like closed timelike curves. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the applicability of physics to the narrative devices used in films.

Contextual Notes

Participants express varying levels of familiarity with physics concepts, particularly general relativity and closed timelike curves, which may influence their interpretations and contributions to the discussion.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to those curious about the intersection of physics and popular media, particularly in relation to time travel and theoretical physics concepts.

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I was just wondering if there is any physics behind the time loops in the movies Groundhog Day or Edge of Tomorrow.
 
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The short answer is no. There's no mechanism to explain how the time loop works. Its just used as an interesting story device.

When talking about time loops, the closest movie might be Interstellar where the astronauts experience time dilation while working near a black hole.
 
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I believe the only known mechanism to alter Time, is gravity. so if you had a situation where time was so distorted that it bent back on itself, then you would also be in the presence of a gravity well so enormous that time looping would be the least of your worries.
 
DHF said:
I believe the only known mechanism to alter Time, is gravity. so if you had a situation where time was so distorted that it bent back on itself, then you would also be in the presence of a gravity well so enormous that time looping would be the least of your worries.
Gravity cannot cause time looping. As Jedishrfu already pointed out, it can cause differential aging, that's all.
 
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DHF said:
I believe the only known mechanism to alter Time, is gravity.
To be completely clear, gravity does NOT "alter time", it simply provides an alternate path through space-time which results in differential aging. Clocks always tick locally at one second per second.
 
phinds said:
To be completely clear, gravity does NOT "alter time", it simply provides an alternate path through space-time which results in differential aging. Clocks always tick locally at one second per second.
Thank you for the clarification.
 
The reason so many people (me included) love sci-fi stories with time loops is the imagination. It is fun! A modern way to tell fairy tales. Nobody of today is really afraid of mean wolves, but the implications of the grandfather paradox are funny. And once you have a contradiction in your system, you can justify everything, which gets the story teller even more freedoms and us watchers or readers more fun.
 
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TheQuestionGuy14 said:
I was just wondering if there is any physics behind the time loops in the movies Groundhog Day or Edge of Tomorrow.

Yes, there is. At what level do you want an answer?
 
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George Jones said:
Yes, there is. At what level do you want an answer?
What do you mean by level? Also, are you talking about Closed Timelike Curves? I've heard of those recently.
 
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Yes, I mean closed timelike curves.

By "level", I mean "What background in physics and math do you have?" It is okay if you don't have any background in physics and math, but I will try to write a detailed answer with your background in mind. This might not happen today.
 
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George Jones said:
Yes, I mean closed timelike curves.

By "level", I mean "What background in physics and math do you have?" It is okay if you don't have any background in physics and math, but I will try to write a detailed answer with your background in mind. This might not happen today.
I have a basic background. I studied General Relativity and touched a little on CTCs, I'd like to hear your detailed answer though. :wink:
 

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