Physics Course Grades: KU Student's Experience

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the experiences of students in upper-level physics courses, specifically focusing on exam performance and grading standards. Participants share their perspectives on the typicality of low exam averages and the implications for students in such courses.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant reports a low median score of 8.5/25 in their mechanics course and questions whether such low averages are standard in upper-level physics courses.
  • Another participant notes that low averages were common at their undergraduate institution, suggesting variability based on the school and context.
  • Some participants argue that an average score between 50%-65% is more typical, indicating that the reported average might be unusually low.
  • Discussion includes the influence of the instructor, the selectivity of the school, and the capabilities of the students as potential factors affecting exam scores.
  • One participant shares their experience of low scores in previous physics courses, suggesting that high standards may be intended to distinguish gifted students.
  • Another participant mentions variability in average scores across different physics courses, with some classes scoring around 80 and others around 40, highlighting the inconsistency in grading practices.
  • A participant describes a grading curve used at their school, which adjusts scores to mitigate the impact of low averages on students' final grades.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the normalcy of low exam averages in physics courses, with some suggesting it is common while others find it unusual. The discussion remains unresolved regarding what constitutes standard grading practices across different institutions.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference various grading scales and experiences, indicating that grading practices may depend on institutional policies and instructor approaches. There is no consensus on the implications of low exam scores for student performance or future outcomes.

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Hello everyone,

I am a Junior at KU, and taking a Mechanics course in Physics. I'm a Math major going for a B.S. and taking this course for my applied math requirement.

The book used is Classical Dynamics of Particles and Systems 5th Ed. by Thornton.

We just got our first exam results back and the class median was a 8.5/25. I got a 9, or a 36%, on the test.

While taking the test, I knew I was going to fail which is the first test score I've received in college below a C. Is this something standard in upper level Physics courses? I've never seen such a low average before.

Luckily, I do have an 83% avg in HW, where the median is a 75%.
 
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Depends on the school, where I go my undergrad degree, the averages were as low as you have indicated and we didn't say a word. Where I got my PhD, the undergrads would have been up in arms screaming and hollaring...
 
I don't think that low is quite normal. But an average between 50%-65% seems pretty normal.
 
I think it depends greatly on the instructor, the school, and the students. The instructor could be hard; the school could be selective; and the students in your class could be pretty dumb (no offense). All three could be the case, one could be the case, or a combination could be the case.

When I was taking my intro physics classes, the tests would routinely come back in the forties and fifties. I believe this is done to let the truly gifted students stand out from the crowd.
 
Only 2 people in my class(7 students,3rd year) are getting an "outstanding"(9/10) grade in higher level physics courses. Less than half of the class generally pass the first final exam convocation, so most people end up passing on the 2nd try but rarely with an outstanding grade.

In my 2 sophomore mechanics courses (which followed Landau's & Goldstein's texts) only 1 person got an outstanding grade, the rest just got a bare pass or had to retake them. Nobody has gotten outstanding grades in sophomore and junior electromagnetism courses. As it stands only 3 people are passing every course "on schedule" at my faculty.
 
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It is unusual at some schools, not at others. I've had upper division physics classes where the class average test scores were around 80 (thermodynamics) and ones where the average test scores were around 40 (electrodynamics). And some outlier tests were even lower or higher than that. It is rare (but not unheard of) to see professors fail droves of students because of that, though - there is usually a curve.
 
At our school, to counteract this, our grades are on a curved scale:

A:80-100
B:65-79
C:64-55
D:54-45

In E&M 1, I had the highest grade, at 86, followed by an 81 (12 person class)
 

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