Physics schools and holistic admissions

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the educational pathways to becoming a physicist, particularly focusing on the role of holistic admissions in university selection. Participants explore the implications of starting college later in life, especially for those with military backgrounds, and the criteria for successful admissions into physics programs in the United States.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants inquire about universities in the U.S. with strong physics programs and express concerns about starting college later than typical students.
  • There is a discussion about whether attending a school with holistic admissions is necessary for success in physics, with some arguing that many paths exist to achieve this.
  • Participants seek clarification on what holistic admissions entail, contrasting it with traditional admissions criteria focused solely on GPA and standardized test scores.
  • Concerns are raised about meeting the criteria for holistic admissions, with some suggesting that military experience could be a valuable asset in the application process.
  • One participant reflects on their misunderstanding of holistic admissions, initially believing it favored high academic scores over other achievements.
  • Another participant shares their experience with admissions testing and emphasizes the motivational aspect of holistic assessments.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity and implications of holistic admissions, with some believing it offers flexibility while others feel uncertain about their qualifications. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to admissions and the impact of military experience on applications.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in understanding the specific criteria and definitions of holistic admissions, as well as the varying experiences of participants in relation to their academic backgrounds and military service.

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Hello, I'm new here so forgive me if I'm posting this in the wrong place. I have several questions pertaining to the schooling required to become a physicist and the everyday life of a physicist. So my first question is, are there any universities within the United States that have a good physics programs? I have done some research and it seems like the only schools that pop up are schools with holistic admissions. I am also currently enlisted in the United States Marine Corps. So I was wondering if I should even attempt a PhD in physics due to the fact that I will be starting college later than the average joe.
 
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Gargantua2015 said:
So my first question is, are there any universities within the United States that have a good physics programs?
Just some of the best i the world
http://grad-schools.usnews.rankings...-schools/top-science-schools/physics-rankings

Gargantua2015 said:
wondering if I should even attempt a PhD in physics due to the fact that I will be starting college later than the average joe.
It means nothing, do what you love.
 
Do I need to attend a school with holistic admissions to be successful as a physicist?
 
Gargantua2015 said:
Do I need to attend a school with holistic admissions to be successful as a physicist?
Of course not. There are many paths to success. What is your problem with holistic admissions anyway?
 
What do you mean by "holistic admissions", and as opposed to what?
 
I don't exactly have a problem with holistic admissions. I just don't quite meet the criteria to get admitted to a school that uses holistic admissions.
 
Gargantua2015 said:
I just don't quite meet the criteria to get admitted to a school that uses holistic admissions.
Why do you say that? The point of HA is that they are flexible.
 
Surely being in the military counts as a "holistic factor", especially if you've been in any sort of leadership position.

You have to keep in mind that most applicants to "good" colleges still come straight out of high school, so most of the talk about admissions criteria and "extracurricular activities" has them in mind. Older people who have gotten "real world" experience in the military, or running a business, or whatever, have a different set of experiences that they can use to bolster their college applications.
 
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Lol I just realized that holistic admissions places emphasis on considering an applicants other achievements rather than just looking at their GPA and ACT scores. I thought that holistic admissions described schools that looked for 4.0 GPAs and 30 and above ACT scores.
 
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Yeah I'm sure military experience would look good on an application. I suppose I am just concerned that my GPA and ACT scores won't meet their requirements.
 
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Gargantua2015 said:
scores won't meet their requirements.
When I got out, my GRE scores were "stale," and I was asked (not required) to take the GRE again --- it was like shooting qualification in a phone booth --- you can't miss. "Holistic" is an assessment whether you're motivated and capable of following through. Marine? This day and age? When you could have quit any time you wanted and "good riddance?" You're motivated.
 
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Yeah I suppose I never looked at it like that. Thanks for all the info guys!
 

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