Physics Vector Cross Product problem

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The problem involves calculating the cross product of two vectors, A and B, defined in a two-dimensional space, and determining the angle between them. The vectors are given in terms of their components along the i and j axes.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the method of using a 3x3 matrix to find the cross product and explore the relationship between the cross product and the angle between the vectors. Questions arise about how to approach finding the angle, with suggestions to consider trigonometric relationships.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively exploring different methods to find the angle between the vectors, including the use of the sine and cosine functions. Some guidance has been provided regarding the relationships between the dot product, cross product, and the angles involved, but no consensus has been reached on a specific approach to solve for the angle.

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There is an emphasis on understanding the properties of the cross product and the relationships between the vectors, but some participants express uncertainty about the steps needed to find the angle, indicating a potential lack of clarity in the problem setup.

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1. Homework Statement
Two vectors are given by A = -6 i + 5 j and B = 1 i + 4 j
Find A X B (answer only in terms of i, j, k)
Find the angle between A and B (answer is terms of degrees)

2. Homework Equations
All I was told was that if I set a 3x3 matrix like this:
i j k
-6 5 0
1 4 0
then AxB is the determinant

3. The Attempt at a Solution
I made the 3x3 matrix and found the determinant to be only -29 k, which I am told is correct.
I have absolutely no idea on how to approach the angle problem. If I may ask, can someone get me started in the right direction for that problem?
 
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Start by graphing it that may help. Think of sin,cosine.
 
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i is along X axis
j is along y-axis
k is along z axis (not relevant)
 
The dot product of two vectors is equal to the product of the vector magnitudes times the cosine of the angle between them. The magnitude of the cross product is equal to the product of the vector magnitudes times the sine of the angle between them. The direction of the cross product is perpendicular to the two vectors.
 
Chestermiller said:
The dot product of two vectors is equal to the product of the vector magnitudes times the cosine of the angle between them. The magnitude of the cross product is equal to the product of the vector magnitudes times the sine of the angle between them. The direction of the cross product is perpendicular to the two vectors.

Thanks for the info, but I'm just trying to understand cross products as it relates to this problem.

The magnitude of the cross product is equal to the product of the vector magnitudes times the sine of the angle between them.

So you're basically saying that A X B = ABsin∅? Great! But in this case, I was given A and B as vectors. So would that mean that I would have to find the displacement between A and B, let's call it C, and use law of sines to get the angle? That seems like a bit of work.
 
majormaaz said:
So you're basically saying that A X B = ABsin∅? But in this case, I was given A and B as vectors. So would that mean that I would have to find the displacement between A and B, let's call it C, and use law of sines to get the angle?
You have already calculated A×B, so you can easily determine |A×B|, |A| and |B|. From those calculate sin(∅).
 
The dot product gives you the cosine of the angle. Once you know the cosine of the angle, you can get the sine. Or you can use the info that haruspex provided you. Both should give you the same result.
 

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