Pilot Goes Blind, But Lands Plane

  • Thread starter Thread starter lisab
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Plane
Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around a remarkable incident where a pilot experienced sudden blindness due to a stroke during a flight and was subsequently guided to safety by a military pilot. Participants explore the implications of this event, the challenges faced by the pilot, and the dynamics of flying under such extreme conditions.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express amazement at the pilot's ability to remain composed during the crisis.
  • One participant suggests that the shock of sudden blindness might not be worse in an airplane than on the ground, especially with guidance from another pilot.
  • There is a discussion about the ground-effect during landing and how it serves as a tactile indicator rather than relying solely on visual input.
  • Participants note the sensory discrepancies experienced in flight, emphasizing the importance of trusting instruments over personal sensations.
  • One participant highlights the potential delays in communication and response time during such emergencies, comparing it to remote operations of a Mars probe.
  • Another participant mentions the role of luck in the successful outcome of the landing.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally express admiration for the pilots involved and acknowledge the complexity of the situation. However, there are differing views on the relative difficulty of flying blind compared to driving a car, and the discussion remains unresolved on the nuances of sensory perception in aviation.

Contextual Notes

Some discussions touch on the limitations of human perception in aviation and the reliance on instruments, but these points are not fully resolved or agreed upon.

lisab
Staff Emeritus
Science Advisor
Gold Member
Messages
2,050
Reaction score
612
This is just amazing...WOW! A pilot had a stroke during a flight, and suddenly went blind. Can you imagine losing your sight as you drove your car? This must be 100 times worse - yet he landed OK.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27600521/

A British pilot who was suddenly blinded by a stroke during a solo flight was talked safely down by a military pilot, the Royal Air Force said Friday.

And how polite and British must he be, to keep apologizing...

"You could hear the apprehension in his voice over the radio and the frustration he was experiencing," said radar controller Richard Eggleton. "I kept saying 'Are you visual?' and he would reply 'No sir, negative, I'm sorry sir.' He kept on apologizing."
 
Biology news on Phys.org
Find the BBC site, they have the audio up.
 
Holy cow! I can't believe he was able to keep his wits about him and make it down safely.
 
The 'keeping his wits about him' wouldn't necessarily apply to such an experienced pilot merely because of a loss of visibility. The shock of suddenly being blind would, of course, be daunting, but maybe not any worse in an aeroplane than on the ground. I know that if it happened to me, I'd feel a lot better in the air than on a highway (given the caveat there's someone there to advise me, as this man had). At least you know that all other traffic is kept away from you.
For the actual touchdown, you can feel the ground-effect 'float' a few feet from the ground, which is used as a flare-time indicator more than visual input is.
This is very difficult to explain to a groundhog (non-pilot :-p), especially since it's been over 30 years since I've flown. Perhaps Andre or Integral can put it into more understandable language.
And please know that I am not in any way making this out to be a mundane situation. Two exceptional pilots worked as one to put that machine on the ground safely, and they both deserve praise.
 
Danger said:
The 'keeping his wits about him' wouldn't necessarily apply to such an experienced pilot merely because of a loss of visibility. The shock of suddenly being blind would, of course, be daunting, but maybe not any worse in an aeroplane than on the ground. I know that if it happened to me, I'd feel a lot better in the air than on a highway (given the caveat there's someone there to advise me, as this man had). At least you know that all other traffic is kept away from you.
For the actual touchdown, you can feel the ground-effect 'float' a few feet from the ground, which is used as a flare-time indicator more than visual input is.
This is very difficult to explain to a groundhog (non-pilot :-p), especially since it's been over 30 years since I've flown. Perhaps Andre or Integral can put it into more understandable language.
And please know that I am not in any way making this out to be a mundane situation. Two exceptional pilots worked as one to put that machine on the ground safely, and they both deserve praise.

The amazing part is that your senses lie to you in an airplane. If you close your eyes and turn and bank and pitch up and down your body will think its moving in all sorts of funky directions. Oddly enough, if you move in very slow gentle turns your body won't even know its in a turn. It's called a 'death spiral', and it killed JFKjr. Its a slowwww gradual turn that eventually puts you in an upside down spiral and you don't even know it (in clouds). Then you die.
 
Last edited:
Cyrus said:
The amazing part is that your senses lie to you in an airplane.
Quite right. I even experience that in a car if I'm a passenger, and have my eyes closed. It is definitely a deadly effect. That's why one must always trust the instruments over one's own senses, if they conflict. In this case, however, the guide pilot was in effect replacing the instruments. The afflicted pilot was wise enough to trust in his instructions.
 
Danger said:
That's why one must always trust the instruments over one's own senses, if they conflict.

Wow. How anti-Zen. But, I guess that's just how it is. The human body can't be expected to be able to be an accurate accelerometer, altimeter, and so on since it was never designed for things like that.

Oh, did the assisting pilot on the ground say "Use The Force, Jim..."?
 
The human body can't be expected to be able to be an accurate accelerometer,
The problem is that it is a very accurate accelerometer but you can't tell the difference between acceleration and gravity.
So if you are banking, 'down' will feel outward and so if you believed the seat of your pants you would correct the wrong way.
The artificial horizon in aircraft is a gyroscope that always stays in the same plane rather than a spirit level which measures acceleration as well as gravity.
 
It's still an incredible story. Very cool. Also adding to the previous problems is the extra delay in the control loop for making corrections, as it will take several seconds before the verbal instructions for correcting deviations are being applied. You don't have that kind of time in a light aircraft in windy turbulent conditions. So it must have a smooth day.
 
  • #10
Good point about the time lag, Andre. It would be roughly analogous to trying to do real-time remote corrections to a Mars probe. Both of these guys would have to have been anticipating countless possible situations before they arose, to be ready with as close to an instantaneous response as circumstances allowed. Really, it was a remarkable endeavour.
 
  • #11
Plus a truckload of luck. Incredible.
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 34 ·
2
Replies
34
Views
7K
  • · Replies 19 ·
Replies
19
Views
4K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 135 ·
5
Replies
135
Views
26K
Replies
1
Views
4K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
7K
  • · Replies 16 ·
Replies
16
Views
7K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
9K
  • · Replies 65 ·
3
Replies
65
Views
12K
Replies
6
Views
4K