Pipelines: Loss coefficiency on Clean Water VS Slurry

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The discussion revolves around the loss coefficient (K) in fluid dynamics, specifically in the context of head loss in pipelines carrying clean water versus slurry. Participants explore how K varies with different viscosities and densities while referencing the Darcy-Weisbach equation. The conversation includes theoretical considerations and practical implications for both minor and major losses in piping systems.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how K varies for the same flow rate and device with different viscosities and densities.
  • Another participant asserts that K is generally not adjusted for viscosity or density, as it is primarily used for minor losses and is added to the friction factor (fL/D).
  • It is noted that the friction factor (f) accounts for viscosity and density, suggesting that K's adjustment may not be significant in typical systems.
  • A participant proposes estimating head loss in a slurry system by multiplying the clear water head by the ratio of the slurry's specific gravity to that of water, but another participant challenges this approach.
  • Methods for adjusting K for viscosity are mentioned, including using the L/D ratio for restrictions and the two-K and three-K methods, with references to external resources for further exploration.
  • Concerns are raised about the behavior of non-Newtonian fluids in relation to minor losses, highlighting the limited data available for such cases.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the adjustment of K for viscosity and density, with no consensus reached on the best approach for estimating head loss in slurry systems. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the applicability of various methods and the behavior of non-Newtonian fluids.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention that K is typically not adjusted for viscosity or density unless in unusual systems, and that the behavior of non-Newtonian fluids complicates the analysis of minor losses. There is also uncertainty regarding the effectiveness of proposed methods for estimating head loss in different fluid conditions.

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Hi Guys, I have a problem about the loss coefficient.

Head loss = K * (v^2/2g)

Where K is the loss coefficients.

This equation is base on Darcy-Weisbach equation.

I wonder how is K varies for same flow rate, same device with a different viscosity and density.

Thanks a lots in advance.
 
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Good question. Normally, K isn't adjusted for viscosity or density. K is generally only used for minor losses such as entrance and exit losses, bends and other specific restrictions and is simply added to fL/D to come up with a total loss coefficient. Note that f takes into account viscosity and density, so these factors are accounted for on a typical piping system, but I've never seen K adjusted for these factors. I think you probably could, just as flow coefficient for a valve (Cv) is sometimes modified to account for viscosity, but unless it's an unusual system, the adjustment probably wouldn't be too significant.
 
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Good question. Normally, K isn't adjusted for viscosity or density. K is generally only used for minor losses such as entrance and exit losses, bends and other specific restrictions and is simply added to fL/D to come up with a total loss coefficient. Note that f takes into account viscosity and density, so these factors are accounted for on a typical piping system, but I've never seen K adjusted for these factors. I think you probably could, just as flow coefficient for a valve (Cv) is sometimes modified to account for viscosity, but unless it's an unusual system, the adjustment probably wouldn't be too significant.

Yes, only the frictional constant F relates to viscosity and density.

However, since my pipeline is a bit short, just 7m with numbers of fitting, so the only loss is K, minor loss coefficient.

I am curious whether I can estimate the head when system is feeded with slurry by the clear water head which majorly come from K by mutiplying Ratio of Slurry S.G. to Clear water.
(K is base on expermental method of clear water?? I think.)

Thanks for your kind help.
 
Su Solberg said:
I am curious whether I can estimate the head when system is feeded with slurry by the clear water head which majorly come from K by mutiplying Ratio of Slurry S.G. to Clear water.
(K is base on expermental method of clear water?? I think.)
I think what you're asking is can you multiply K by the ratio for your slurry divided by that of water. (ie: multiply K by specific gravity of your slurry.) I don't think that will work at all. Let's start over.

There are methods out there that allow adjusting K for viscosity. The simplest thing to do is to simply use the L/D ratio for your restrictions where available. For example, an elbow may have an L/D ratio of 5, so just use that and determine the friction factor normally. That way you eliminate the use of K and you use equivalent length instead for the various restrictions.

You might also consider using the two-K and three-K method as described http://www.cheresources.com/eqlength.shtml" . I'm not familiar with these methods but from what I understand, they are useful in correcting for actual Reynolds number. Probably the best thing to do would be to pull the original papers (listed below) and review them. I'd be interested in what you find out, so if you decide to do so, feel free to update us on what you find out.

One other web page looks promising http://www.cheresources.com/invisio...ethod-for-excess-head-loss-in-pipe-fittings/". If you download the Excel spread sheets, feel free to post them here so I don't have to join that site! :wink:

1. Hooper, W. B., The Two-K Method Predicts Head Losses in Pipe Fittings, Chem. Eng., p. 97-100, August 24, 1981.
2. Darby, R., Correlate Pressure Drops through Fittings, Chem. Eng., p. 101-104, July, 1999.
 
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Su Solberg said:
Hi Guys, I have a problem about the loss coefficient.

Head loss = K * (v^2/2g)

Where K is the loss coefficients.

This equation is base on Darcy-Weisbach equation.

I wonder how is K varies for same flow rate, same device with a different viscosity and density.

Thanks a lots in advance.

K is independent of those parameters if the flow is fully turbulent (high Reynolds numbers).
If you are not in the turbulent regime you can use the 3-K method.
Another thing to keep in mind - your slurry is probably a non Newtonian fluid (the viscosity depends on the shear rate). there are very limited data and correlations for minor losses of non Newtonian fluids.
 

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