Planet Orbits, finding radius HELPP

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves calculating the average radius of Mars' orbit around the sun, given the masses of Mars and the sun, as well as the orbital period of Mars. The context is centered on gravitational forces and orbital mechanics.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss using gravitational and centripetal force equations to relate the masses and orbital radius. There are attempts to derive the radius from the orbital period and velocity, with some questioning how to find velocity without knowing the radius.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided algebraic manipulations and substitutions to express the radius in terms of known quantities. There is an ongoing exploration of the equations, with one participant expressing concern about the magnitude of their calculated radius.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working under the constraints of the given masses and orbital period, with a need to convert time from days to seconds for calculations. There is uncertainty regarding the interpretation of results, particularly concerning the size of the calculated radius.

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Planet Orbits, finding radius HELPP!

Homework Statement


The planet Mars has a mass of 6.418*1023kg and completes an orbit around the sun in 687 days. The sun has a mass of 1.99 * 1030kg. what is the average radius of the orbit of mars?


Homework Equations


Force Gravity = G*(m1m2)/r2
Force centripetal = mv2/r

G = 6.67 * 10-11


The Attempt at a Solution


I tried plugging in the numbers into the Universal gravitaiton formula where m1 was the mass of Mars * m2 which is the mass of the sun * Universal gravitation. I didn't know what to use as Force Gravity.
with the force centripetal formula, you have 2 masses. how could i go about finding the velocity of Mars if i don't have the radius??
thanks for the help
 
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G*M*m/r^2 = m*v^2/r. Or
G*M/r= v^2...(1)
In the problem time T to completes an orbit around the sun is given.
So velocity v = 2*pi*r/T...(2)
Substitute the expression of v in eq.1 and solve for r.
 


for when i plug in equation 1, would i take the square root of the whole left side??
 


G*M/r= v^2...(1)
G*M/r= (2*pi*r/T)^2...(2)
If you simplify, you get
G*M*T^2= 4*pi^2*r^3.
Convert days to seconds and solve for r.
 


I got an answer with over a billion km lol seems kinda big even for planets but whatever

thanks a lot
 

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