Plastics not subject to viscoelasticity (cold flow)

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the search for a machinable plastic or dielectric material that can withstand continuous loading over a long period (approximately 20 years) without experiencing cold flow. The specific conditions include a stress of about 100 KPa and a maximum temperature of 64°C. Participants explore the implications of viscoelasticity in thermoplastic polymers and seek recommendations for materials that would not be subject to this phenomenon.

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Main Points Raised

  • Bruce expresses concern about the potential for cold flow in thermoplastic polymers under continuous loading and seeks information on materials that are less susceptible to this issue.
  • One participant suggests consulting a specific company, Curbell Plastics, for initial input and material comparisons.
  • Another participant recommends considering Phenolic materials, specifically Bakelite and Micarta brands, as potential options.
  • A different suggestion includes polyphenylene sulfide, a semicrystalline polymer, noting that it has a variety of options and available physical properties.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the need for materials that do not exhibit cold flow under the specified conditions, but there are multiple competing suggestions regarding which materials may be suitable. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best choice of material.

Contextual Notes

There is uncertainty regarding the specific properties of the suggested materials and their long-term performance under continuous loading. The discussion does not clarify the definitions or parameters that might influence the selection of materials.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for engineers, materials scientists, and professionals involved in applications requiring durable plastics or dielectrics under continuous stress conditions.

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I have been asked to find a machinable plastic (or dielectric) that will be subject to continuous loading (20 years) that will be subject to stress of appx 100 KPa at a max temp of 64C. While not a high speed or high energy situation, it is a rotating, close clearance application and the material cannot expand from its original dimensions without creating a potential frictional failure that could generate significant heat.

I have read that 'cold flow' over a long time is primarily a problem with thermoplastic polymers 'only', but the information I have been able to pull up so far is very scarce and gives me little confidence about selecting a material. Not being in materials science, my ignorance is probably has me looking in all the wrong places.

Can anyone shed some light about the cold flow being largely a thermoplastic problem and/or recommend a different source of viscoelastic data that I can use to find a plastic NOT subject to this long term phenomenon?

All comments welcome!
Bruce
 
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JBA,

Thank you for taking the time to link me with the Curbell website. Absolutely the best I have seen for broad comparisons and drill down detail!

Greatly appreciated!
Bruce
 
Take a look at Phenolic material, sold as Bakelite and Micarta brands.
 
This compounder has a wide variety of different types. It may be worth a look.

From previous work, polyphenylene sulfide, a semicrystalline polymer might be an option. Here's the variety of options for that material.

A lot of physical properties are available for this polymer and others on that site.
 
TomG & ChemAir,

Both very good suggestions! I will research both.

Thank you for your assist!

Bruce
 
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