Please check what I've derived. Involves force and orbital velocity.

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The discussion revolves around determining the force required to maintain a stable circular orbit after an object experiences a loss of altitude, potentially due to a collision. The subject area involves concepts of orbital mechanics and forces acting on bodies in motion.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants explore the implications of an object transitioning from a circular orbit to a lower altitude and question the assumptions regarding the nature of the forces involved. There is discussion about the need for clarification on the situation and the specific forces at play, including whether the force should remain tangential or perpendicular to the radius vector.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants expressing uncertainty about the original poster's assumptions and the specifics of the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding the nature of forces and the effects of applying them over time, but no consensus has been reached on the exact requirements or definitions involved.

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There is a noted lack of clarity in the problem statement, particularly regarding the assumptions about the orbit and the conditions following the collision. The original poster mentions that the question is for someone else who may have language barriers, which could contribute to the ambiguity in the discussion.

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Basically, I'm trying to come up with a function that determines the amount of force need to keep an object in a stable circular orbit if it were to suddenly lose altitude due to a collision or what not. Basically required force as a function of orbital radius.

Here's what I've come up with:

http://imgur.com/N1FUmtN
 
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What you are trying to achieve is under-specified.
I cannot tell from what you presented here what the situation is or what your assumptions are.
But it looks a bit odd to me even so - what acceleraton is ar the acceleration of? due to what?

I'm reading it like this so far:
...an object starts out in a circular orbit with radius R1 in the central-force situation.
For some reason, at time t, it finds itself at radius r(t)<R1 ... so it is in a new orbit which need not be circular.
You want to do work to (a) turn the new orbit into a circular one at some new altitude R2<R1 or (b) restore the old orbit or (c) something else?

Generally, any old additional force will do the trick.
It's just a question of how long you are prepared to apply it for - and how cleverly you apply it.
 
Simon Bridge said:
What you are trying to achieve is under-specified.
I cannot tell from what you presented here what the situation is or what your assumptions are.
But it looks a bit odd to me even so - what acceleraton is ar the acceleration of? due to what?

I'm reading it like this so far:
...an object starts out in a circular orbit with radius R1 in the central-force situation.
For some reason, at time t, it finds itself at radius r(t)<R1 ... so it is in a new orbit which need not be circular.
You want to do work to (a) turn the new orbit into a circular one at some new altitude R2<R1 or (b) restore the old orbit or (c) something else?

Generally, any old additional force will do the trick.
It's just a question of how long you are prepared to apply it for - and how cleverly you apply it.


Yeah sorry. This is for someone else for who it seems English is not their first language. From what I can gather, the question is basically if an orbiting body loses energy due to a collision or some other event, how much force that is tangent to the new orbit is required to restore the original orbit? I tried considering dv/dr as the required acceleration, but I'm not sure if it's even valid to talk about a change in velocity with respect to something other than time as acceleration.
 
I don't think there is enough information.

I suppose it kinda looks like circular orbits are assumed.

Notice: the tangential force initially creates a torque ... thus angular acceleration.

The object goes faster then it's orbit radius increases.
But any amount of force may be used to do this - just depends on the time frame.

Note I said initially - does the force remain tangent to the trajectory (which is not circular when under acceleration) or is it to remain perpendicular to the radius vector?
I think a lot of the missing information is in the context.
 

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