Please further explain this formula about voltage

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The discussion revolves around the interpretation of a voltage equation related to an inductor in a circuit, specifically focusing on the relationship between back emf and potential difference (p.d.) across the inductor. Participants are exploring the implications of these concepts in the context of circuit analysis.

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  • Participants are questioning the relationship between back emf and p.d. across the inductor, particularly regarding their signs and directions. There is also discussion about the modeling of a non-ideal inductor and how voltage measurements relate to circuit directionality.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing insights into the nature of voltage in inductors and the implications of circuit direction. Some participants suggest that the equations may need to be rearranged based on the direction of current flow, while others affirm the correctness of the existing equations.

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There is an emphasis on the distinction between ideal and practical inductors, and how this affects voltage measurements. The original poster and others are grappling with the definitions and assumptions related to voltage drops and back emf in the context of circuit analysis.

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On the right bottom side ,when the switch is closed the equation is given V(EG)=
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+V+V(FG)
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What is the difference between the back emf in the inductor and the p.d across the inductor? I think the current flow from E to G, the p.d. due to its resistance should be in opposite sign with the back emf in the inductor, but they are in the same sign as shown. Please explain.
 

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When switch is closed, current flows from E to G. The non-ideal inductor can be modeled as an ideal inductor in series with its resistance.
Clara Chung said:
What is the difference between the back emf in the inductor and the p.d across the inductor?
The difference is in the directions. Voltage drop is numerically equal to the back emf of the inductor. Their directions are opposite. If voltage across inductor is 5V at a particular instant, that means 5V from the source are dropped across the inductor and its back emf at that instant is 5V.
 
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I tend to think that those two equitions need to be swopped around or alternatively they work if one is to move around the circuit in the anticlockwise direction, that is VGE, which is how they voltages would add up positively if one move up against the current.
 
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andrevdh said:
I tend to think that those two equitions need to be swopped around or alternatively they work if one is to move around the circuit in the anticlockwise direction, that is VGE, which is how they voltages would add up positively if one move up against the current.
Yes.

Perhaps VGE represents the potential at G relative to E. So, VGE is the change in potential if you start at E and move to G.

VEG is the change in potential if you start at G and move to E. The equations appear to be written in terms of VEG. The equations appear to me to be correct as written in the text.
 
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Clara Chung said:
What is the difference between the back emf in the inductor and the p.d across the inductor?
As cnh1995 pointed out, a practical inductor can be modeled as an ideal inductance in series with a resistance. So when you measure voltage across the terminals of a practical inductor you are measuring the sum of two voltages: voltage due to inductance, ##\color{blue}{L\dfrac{di}{dt}}## + Ohmic drop, ##\color{blue}{i{\cdot}R}##.
 
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