Please Help with bonding frequencies

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the bonding frequencies of elements in the human body, specifically seeking information on single, double, and triple bond frequencies. The inquiry includes a request for mathematical relationships between these bonding frequencies and their dependence on surrounding atoms.

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  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant requests bonding frequencies for various elements, emphasizing the need for single, double, and triple bond frequencies and their mathematical relationships.
  • Another participant argues that bonds do not exist in isolation and that the vibrational frequencies of bonds depend on surrounding atoms, challenging the initial request.
  • A different participant presents a formula for calculating vibrational frequency, asserting that bonds can be considered in isolation despite the influence of nearby atoms.
  • Another participant suggests that dividing a specific value by wavelength can yield wavenumber, contributing to the discussion on bond frequencies.
  • A participant reiterates the idea that bonds do not exist in isolation, particularly emphasizing the average behavior of bonds in phases rather than as individual entities.
  • One participant recommends consulting resources on IR spectra for bond frequencies and mentions software that predicts IR absorbance spectra based on molecular structures.
  • A participant questions the purpose of the initial request for bonding frequency information, seeking clarification on the intended application.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the existence of bonds in isolation, with some asserting that bonds can be considered independently while others maintain that surrounding atoms influence their frequencies. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing views on the nature of bonding frequencies.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in the understanding of bonding frequencies, particularly regarding the influence of surrounding atoms and the conditions under which bonds may be considered in isolation. There is also a lack of consensus on the mathematical relationships between bond types.

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Need Bonding frequencies for Single, Double, Triple bonds for all elements in the human body.
Hi I need all the bonding frequencies for all the elements in the human body, IE: carbon-carbon single bond frequency of 1300 cm - 1.

It is very important to have the single, double and triple bonds because I am doing something that will require them all.
It would also be helpful if someone knew the exact mathematical increase of bonding frequency for double and triple bonds.

I can't seem to find much of this information on the internet so if you have a PDF or something that you can link that would work as well.

The elements are:

OxygenO65.024.0
CarbonC18.512.0
HydrogenH9.562.0
NitrogenN2.61.1
CalciumCa1.30.22
PhosphorusP0.60.22
SulfurS0.30.038
PotassiumK0.20.03
SodiumNa0.20.037
ChlorineCl0.20.024
MagnesiumMg0.10.015
 
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There is no such thing. Bonds don't exist in isolation, the same single C-C bond vibrates with different frequencies depending on the surrounding atoms. Same about every other bond, be it double, triple, be it between carbons, carbons and oxygen, nitrogen, whatever.

Sorry to say that, but you are probably trying to run without knowing how to walk.
 
v = 2piC/1 * Square(K/u)

where c is the speed of light in cm/s.

Already solved this by the way, K is force and u is u/1 = M(a)/1 + M(b)/1
(apply to the entire elemental table)
force being the electro force *( mass * acceleration )

By the way bonds do exist in isolation, I don't know where you learned that, old greg?
And yes they will pick up the frequencies of nearby atoms which may/may not need to be accounted for but this is about the frequency a single pair produces by itself so that the pair itself can be reproduced via said frequency.

Thanks anyways guy.
 
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I also have found that dividing the (100Mil/1)/wavelength in cm will give the wavenumber per CM after this calculation
so that one can get the exact wavenumber around a single atom.
 
Bonds do not exist in isolation, bar perhaps diatomic molecules, and even then we would usually consider them as a phase and not individual molecules, where we only really observe the average behavior in the phase.
 
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I suggest you consult a resource on IR spectra as bond frequencies for various arrangements / couples are readily available. You can also find some software that can predict IR absorbance spectra for compounds based upon structures.
 
What exactly are you planning to do with this information?