Plotting Points: How to Solve Equations with Complex Numbers

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The discussion revolves around plotting points that satisfy equations involving complex numbers, specifically focusing on the expressions |z+1+i|=2 and |2z+3|≤1. Participants express uncertainty about the notation and concepts involved, particularly regarding the variables and the meaning of absolute value in this context.

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  • Participants question the meaning of the variables "I", "z", and "j", and express confusion about the mathematical notation used. There is an attempt to clarify the use of "j" for imaginary numbers and the concept of absolute value in relation to complex numbers. Some participants suggest substituting z with x + iy to facilitate understanding.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding the notation and the mathematical concepts, but there is no consensus on how to proceed with the plotting of points. Concerns about the completeness of responses and the nature of the forum's rules have also been raised.

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Participants mention a lack of prior exposure to examples in their classes, which contributes to their confusion. There is a reference to the forum's policy against providing complete solutions, which has led to some frustration among users seeking help.

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Plot the set of points which satisy
Iz+1+jI=2

I2z+3I≤1

Im not sure about how to do this.

Sorry I am sure its very simple for you but can you just explain how to do one of them? I started maths later in life so I am not solid in mathematics.

Thanks a lot :-)
 
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DeathNinja said:
Plot the set of points which satisy
Iz+1+jI=2

I2z+3I≤1

Im not sure about how to do this.

Sorry I am sure its very simple for you but can you just explain how to do one of them? I started maths later in life so I am not solid in mathematics.

Thanks a lot :-)



What is "I", "z", "j" ...??

DonAntonio
 
DonAntonio said:
What is "I", "z", "j" ...??

DonAntonio

Sorry we use 'j' instead of 'i' for imaginary numbers because i usually means current in electrical engineering. I am not doing electrical but i need to know the math apparently..

im not sure about z, i though z means the complex number.. i don't understand the q

The capital I is just supposed to represent the bar things on either side of the equation i forget what they are called..
 
DeathNinja said:
Sorry we use 'j' instead of 'i' for imaginary numbers because i usually means current in electrical engineering. I am not doing electrical but i need to know the math apparently..

im not sure about z, i though z means the complex number.. i don't understand the q

The capital I is just supposed to represent the bar things on either side of the equation i forget what they are called..
Oh, well that's cleared that up!
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So you are wanting to plot on the complex plane the set of points which satisfy
Code:
(i) magnitude(z+1+i)=2

(ii)magnitude(2z+3)≤1
I'm a bit rusty on z stuff myself. Let's start off by replacing z by x + iy

magnitude(x+iy+1+i) = 2

Collecting real and imaginary,
⇒magnitude({x+1} + i{1+y}) = 2

That's a single complex number inside the ( ). How do you write its magnitude?
 
DeathNinja said:
Sorry we use 'j' instead of 'i' for imaginary numbers because i usually means current in electrical engineering. I am not doing electrical but i need to know the math apparently..

im not sure about z, i though z means the complex number.. i don't understand the q

The capital I is just supposed to represent the bar things on either side of the equation i forget what they are called..



Wow, now I see...lol! Those bars, you should know, are called "absolute value" or "module of a complex number"...! So you actually meant to solve [tex]|z+1+i|=2[/tex][tex]|2z+3|\leq 1[/tex]

Let [itex]\displaystyle{z=a+bi\,,\,\,a,b\in\mathbb R}[/itex] and substitute in the equations above.
Mod note: Removed a too-complete answer.[/color]
DonAntonio
 
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DonAntonio, the philosophy of physics forums is to not provide a complete homework solution without encouraging some contribution from the OP. Despite its location in the general forum, this has every appearance of being a homework or assignment question.

And the word is "modulus".
 
DonAntonio said:
Wow, now I see...lol! Those bars, you should know, are called "absolute value" or "module of a complex number"...! So you actually meant to solve [tex]|z+1+i|=2[/tex][tex]|2z+3|\leq 1[/tex]

Let [itex]\displaystyle{z=a+bi\,,\,\,a,b\in\mathbb R}[/itex] and substitute in the equations above.
Mod note: Removed a too-complete answer.[/color]
DonAntonio

NascentOxygen said:
DonAntonio, the philosophy of physics forums is to not provide a complete homework solution without encouraging some contribution from the OP. Despite its location in the general forum, this has every appearance of being a homework or assignment question.

And the word is "modulus".

Thank you so much DonAntonio. Though It would have been much better and less of a waste of your time if I could have seen the rest of your answer.

Moderator. Do you enjoy treating people like children?? This isn't high school homework! This is an example of a question which I didn't quite understand due to not being shown any examples at the night classes I attend to try and get my engineering degree. There will possibly be a similar question on the test,. Thanks for the hindrance in what is already a great challenge and the condescending attitude, I don't think there is any point being on this forum if its going to be so fascist.
 
DeathNinja said:
Thank you so much DonAntonio. Though It would have been much better and less of a waste of your time if I could have seen the rest of your answer.

Moderator. Do you enjoy treating people like children?? This isn't high school homework! This is an example of a question which I didn't quite understand due to not being shown any examples at the night classes I attend to try and get my engineering degree. There will possibly be a similar question on the test,. Thanks for the hindrance in what is already a great challenge and the condescending attitude, I don't think there is any point being on this forum if its going to be so fascist.
The moderator (who does his/her work here as a volunteer) was merely enforcing the rules of this Forum.

Physics Forum appears to be helpful to many of those who come here seeking help. We regret it if you feel you were not helped.
 
DeathNinja said:
This is an example of a question which I didn't quite understand due to not being shown any examples at the night classes I attend to try and get my engineering degree.
Was my intro to help you get started with this example not sufficiently encouraging? https://www.physicsforums.com/showpost.php?p=3886532&postcount=4
 

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