Pneumatic safety valve question

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The discussion revolves around safety mechanisms for a pneumatically actuated door on a machine, specifically addressing concerns about the door potentially crashing down if air supply is disrupted. Participants explore various solutions and alternatives to ensure safe operation, including mechanical and pneumatic approaches.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests flow limiting the down stroke to allow the door to descend slowly in case of air supply disruption.
  • Another participant questions whether the cylinder must perform all the lifting and proposes a counterweight system or an air braking system that activates when pressure drops.
  • A different viewpoint advocates for using a counterweight to hold the door open while the cylinder holds it closed, provided it is safe to do so.
  • Additional suggestions include using an auxiliary cylinder to latch the main cylinder in the up position, employing a screw mechanism, or redesigning the door to open sideways.

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Participants express a variety of solutions, indicating that there is no consensus on a single approach. Multiple competing views remain regarding the best method to ensure safety for the pneumatic door.

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Some proposals depend on specific mechanical configurations and assumptions about the system's design, which may not be fully detailed in the discussion.

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I am developing a machine which consists of a horizontally mounted cylindrical drum, where the door is front mounted, top opening pneumatically actuated (Picture enclosed).
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The door is lifted up by the pneumatic cylinder.

Now there is an obvious possibility of the door crashing down if the air supply to the cylinder is somehow disrupted. I have tried using a 5/3 Direction Control Valve & Pilot operated NRVs on the cylinder, but these do not help.

I want to stop the exhaust of air from the cylinder if, for eg, one of the air pipes from either port on the cylinder, comes off. So the cylinder should stop where it is.

Provision of mechanical stoppers is always a possibility. But I would like to leave it as a last resort.

Any help would be great.
 
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How about flow limiting the down stroke so even if the air supply is disrupted, the door drops down slowly?
 
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Does the cylinder have to do all the lifting ? Isn't there a counterweight system ?
Perhaps you can install an air braking system that is pressurized from the working end of the cylinder and brakes when the pressure falls away (as with trucks, trains and elevators).
 
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I am with BvU. Counterweight it to hold it open and use the cylinder to hold it closed if that is safe (i.e. the cylinder does not spin and need to hold contents in).

If that is not feasible then a gas strut to slow closure plus an alarm for low pressure would probably be sufficient to make it safe.
 
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(1) Auxilliary cylinder to latch main cylinder in up position . Latch is spring loaded or otherwise self acting and has to be deliberately pressurised to unlatch .

(2) Use a screw instead .

(3) Open door sideways .
 
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