Points on a Plane: Representation with 1 or 2 Real Numbers?

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The discussion revolves around the representation of points on a plane, specifically whether a point can be represented by one real number instead of two, given the existence of a bijection between R and R². The scope includes theoretical considerations and practical implications of such representations.

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  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question the feasibility of representing a point on a plane with a single real number, citing the existence of a bijection between R and R².
  • Others argue that while such bijections exist, they are impractical for applications, and using two values is simpler and more effective.
  • One participant notes that achieving the same precision with a single number would require storing more digits, negating any memory advantage.
  • Another participant emphasizes that the bijections do not satisfy desirable properties such as smoothness or linearity, which limits their usefulness in geometric contexts.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the practicality and utility of representing points with one real number versus two. There is no consensus on the best approach or the implications of the bijections.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the lack of practical examples of bijections that maintain desirable properties and the unresolved nature of how these representations could be applied effectively.

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If there is a bijection between R and R2, then why can't a point on a plane be represented by one real number instead of two?
 
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Do you know of a bijection between R and R^2?
 
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All those bijections are highly impractical for actual applications, using two values is much easier. If you are worried about memory: getting the same precision with a single number means you have to store (at least) twice the number of digits, so you don't gain anything.
 
jeremy22511 said:
If there is a bijection between R and R2, then why can't a point on a plane be represented by one real number instead of two?

The reason why we don't do this is because we often want that representation to satisfy some other properties. The bijections between ##\mathbb{R}## and ##\mathbb{R}^2## do not satisfy many other nice properties. Some properties that they can have are addition preserving, so it can be a group isomorphism. If you don't require injectivity, then it can be continuous. But that's basically where it ends. You can't make it be smooth, or linear. So this means that the bijections are not very geometrical and thus not very useful.
 

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