Poisson brackets for Hamiltonian descriptions

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The discussion centers on the Hamiltonian formulation of gauge theories, specifically the relationship between Poisson brackets and Lie algebras. The key equation presented is \{H[\xi],H[\alpha]\} = H[[\xi,\alpha]], illustrating that the Poisson algebra of charges is isomorphic to the Lie algebra of corresponding symmetries. The participants reference the Noether procedure and its implications for canonical transformations and constraints, emphasizing that the algebra of constraints may not always form a proper Lie algebra. Henneaux and Brown's work on central charges is also mentioned as a critical resource for understanding these concepts.

PREREQUISITES
  • Understanding of Hamiltonian mechanics and phase space (PS)
  • Familiarity with Poisson brackets and their properties
  • Knowledge of Lie algebras and their relationship to symmetries
  • Experience with Noether's theorem and its application in gauge theories
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  • Study the Noether procedure in detail, focusing on its application in gauge theories
  • Explore the implications of central charges in Hamiltonian systems as discussed by Henneaux and Brown
  • Investigate the concept of open algebras in BRST formalism and their significance in gauge theories
  • Learn about the Jacobi identity and its role in confirming the consistency of Poisson brackets
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The discussion is beneficial for theoretical physicists, particularly those specializing in gauge theories, Hamiltonian mechanics, and mathematical physics. It is also relevant for researchers interested in the algebraic structures underlying physical symmetries.

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Hi, I have a (maybe rather technical) question about the Hamiltonian formulation of gauge theories, which I don't get.

With an infinitesimal symmetry on your space-time M one can look at the corresponding transformation of the canonical variables in phase-space PS. This can be done by a phase space function H[]:M --> PS. The generators of these symmetries give you global charges.

If I generate my symmetry with a vector field \xi or \alpha, the statement which is often made is that

<br /> \{H[\xi],H[\alpha] \} = H [[\xi,\alpha]]<br />

In words: the Poisson algebra {} of the charges (LHS) is isomorphic (=) to the Lie algebra of the corresponding symmetries on your space-time (RHS).

My question is: why is this so natural to assume? Henneaux and Brown wrote an article about the details and adjustments of this assumption (central charges in the canonical realization...), but I don't see why this should be "natural" in the first place. I'm missing something here.

Thanks in forward :)
 
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haushofer said:
Hi, I have a (maybe rather technical) question about the Hamiltonian formulation of gauge theories, which I don't get.

With an infinitesimal symmetry on your space-time M one can look at the corresponding transformation of the canonical variables in phase-space PS. This can be done by a phase space function H[]:M --> PS. The generators of these symmetries give you global charges.

If I generate my symmetry with a vector field \xi or \alpha, the statement which is often made is that

<br /> \{H[\xi],H[\alpha] \} = H [[\xi,\alpha]]<br />

In words: the Poisson algebra {} of the charges (LHS) is isomorphic (=) to the Lie algebra of the corresponding symmetries on your space-time (RHS).

My question is: why is this so natural to assume? Henneaux and Brown wrote an article about the details and adjustments of this assumption (central charges in the canonical realization...), but I don't see why this should be "natural" in the first place. I'm missing something here.

Thanks in forward :)

I hope, I have uderstood your question correctly!

In the real life, we use Noether procedure to write H_{\alpha} in terms of the dynamical variables on PS:

H_{\alpha} = \int dx \pi \mathcal{L}_{\alpha} \phi \ \ \ (R)

where \mathcal{L}_{\alpha} is Lie derivative along the vector field \alpha.
It follows immediately from eq(R) that

1) canonical transformations generated by the charge/constraint correspond precisely to the diffeomorphisms generated by the vector field \alpha ,i.e.,

<br /> \{ H_{\alpha} , \phi \} = \mathcal{L}_{\alpha} \phi, \ \ \mbox{etc.} \ (1)<br />

2) charges/constraints satisfy the algebra

\{ H_{\alpha}, H_{\xi} \} = H_{[\alpha , \xi ]} \ \ \ (2)

To confirm the consistency between eq{1) and eq(2), we use the Jacobi identity

\{ \{ H_{\alpha} , H_{\xi} \} , \phi \} = \{\{H_{\alpha}, \phi\} , H_{\xi} \} - \{\{H_{\xi} , \phi \} , H_{\alpha} \}

This gives

\{\{H_{\alpha} , H_{\xi} \} , \phi \} = \mathcal{L}_{\alpha} \mathcal{L}_{\xi} \phi - \mathcal{L}_{\xi}\mathcal{L}_{\alpha} \phi = \mathcal{L}_{[\alpha , \xi ]} \phi

However, the algebra of constraints is not, in general, a proper Lie algebra: the RHS of eq(2) may contain structure functions rather than structure constants. This means, in the BRST terminology, that we may have an open algebra. Indeed, it has been shown [Bargmann and Komar] that the algebra of constraints is not isomorphic to the Lie algebra of the "gauge group" of tetrad-gravity.

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Ok, here is a math question for you:

Given two function f,g : PS \rightarrow \mathbb{R}, their Poisson bracket is defined by

\{ f , g \} = \mathcal{L}_{X_{f}}g = - \mathcal{L}_{X_{g}}f

this means that PB turns the vector space of functions on PS into Lie algebra. Use this Lie-bracket to show that the linear map f \rightarrow X_{f} (which associates to f its (Hamiltonian) vector field) takes Poisson brackets of functions into commutators of vector fields:

[X_{f} , X_{g}] = X_{\{f,g\}} \ \ (3)

compair this with eq(2).

regards

sam
 
A, nice! I will look at this tomorrow! Sam to the rescue, again :D
 
haushofer said:
A, nice! I will look at this tomorrow! Sam to the rescue, again :D

It is a pleasure, very time.
 

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