Infinitesimal transformations and Poisson brackets

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This discussion focuses on the relationship between Poisson brackets and infinitesimal transformations within the context of quantum field theory. The participant calculated Hamiltonians for a particle moving in a circular path using polar coordinates, specifically H(r,p_{r}) and H(φ,p_{φ}). They confirmed that taking the Poisson bracket with the Hamiltonian yields the infinitesimal transformation in time, exemplified by the equations {r,H(r,p_{r})} = p_{r}/m and {φ,H(φ,p_{φ})} = p_{φ}/(mr²). The discussion further explores the implications of infinitesimal transformations on the radius r and angle φ, questioning whether these transformations represent local changes or global translations of the system.

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Hello, I want to understand how bracket operations in general are related to symmetry and infinitesimal transformations (in hindsight of quantumfieldtheory), so I calculated an example with a particle that is moving on a circle with a generic potential.
(I used simple polar coordinates in two dimensions)

H(r,p_{r})= \frac{p^{2}_{r}}{2m}+V(r)
H(\phi, p_{\phi})=\frac{p^{2}_{\phi}}{2mr^{2}}+V(\phi)

Now I know that if you take the Poisson bracket with the Hamiltonian you just get the infinitesimal transformation in time right? So
\{r,H(r,p_{r})\}= \frac{p_{r}}{m}
\{\phi,H(\phi,p_{\phi})\}= \frac{p_{\phi}}{mr^{2}}

But what if I want to do an infinitesimal transformation of the r and \phi coordinates? I know that the generator of translations is just the momentum, and that the generator of rotations is angular momentum. How would I do that with the Poisson bracket in this case? And for example when I do an infinitesimal transformation with the radius r, what does that mean? Is it that the radius is infinitesimally transformed, or is it more like a global translation where the whole system is somehow translated? Similarly with the angle \phi, is it that the angle is locally changed, or is it that the "whole" system is rotated?
 
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JonnyMaddox said:
Now I know that if you take the Poisson bracket with the Hamiltonian you just get the infinitesimal transformation in time right? So
Are you referring to this formula
$$\frac{df}{dt} = \{f, H\} + \frac{\partial f}{\partial t} $$
As for infinitesimal transformation, it is just the radius ##r## changes. For example, we may have a infinitesimal canonical transformation
$$Q = q + \alpha G(q,P)$$
where ##\alpha## is infinitesimally small and ##G## is the generator.
 

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