Polar coordinates of solar system

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the plotting of the positions of the inner planets (Venus, Earth, Mars) on polar graph paper, specifically addressing the conventions of polar coordinates and the implications for visibility and time of day in Earth's sky.

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  • Homework-related
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the clockwise orientation of the planets in the provided table, suggesting it may be viewed from below the solar system's South pole or that the coordinates should be labeled counterclockwise.
  • Another participant argues that using standard polar conversion shows the planets moving counter-clockwise as expected, providing an example of Earth's position over time.
  • A later reply acknowledges the counterclockwise labeling of coordinates and expresses confusion about the conventional placement of the zero angle in polar coordinates.
  • Another participant clarifies that the zero angle is typically to the right, referencing external sources for further explanation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the orientation of polar coordinates and the labeling of angles, indicating that there is no consensus on the initial assumptions about the graph's setup.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the conventions of polar coordinates and how they apply to the plotting of planetary positions, particularly in relation to visibility and time of day.

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I was perusing an astronomy homework site and came across a question in which they are asked to plot the positions of the 3 inner planets on polar graph paper. They are then asked questions about visibility and time of day in Earth's sky.

The table:
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Location Venus Earth Mars
   1      280   270   310
   2      325   300   324
   3       18   330   338
   4       68     0   352
   5      115    30     6
   6      165    60    20
   7      213    90    34

What strikes me as odd about this table is that it has the planets going around the sun clockwise. Either
- this is to be viewed from below the solar system's South pole looking up
- the sequence of 7 is last to first.
- the graph coords should be labelled in counterclockwise direction
Whichever way, it's going to be pretty confusing to figure out when the planets can be seen when.

Am I missing something?
 
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Mayby I'm missing something, but if you use the standard polar conversion

\left(x,y\right) = r \left(\cos(\theta), \sin(\theta) \right)

the planets do go counter-clockwise as expected. For instance, Earth go from from a position on the negative y-axis at 1, over a position at the positive x-axis at 4, to a position on the positive y-axis at 7 (around half a year).
 
Filip Larsen said:
Mayby I'm missing something, but if you use the standard polar conversion

\left(x,y\right) = r \left(\cos(\theta), \sin(\theta) \right)

the planets do go counter-clockwise as expected. For instance, Earth go from from a position on the negative y-axis at 1, over a position at the positive x-axis at 4, to a position on the positive y-axis at 7 (around half a year).

Ah. Ok, so c] the coords are labelled counterclockwise, (and if I understand you correctly, 0 is at the bottom.)

I'd just assumed I'd start with 0 at the top and label degrees clockwise around the graph. But it appears there is a convention to polar coords then.

Thanks.
 

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