Polarisation of dielectric materials

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In discussions about the polarization of dielectric materials, it is noted that a non-uniformly polarized material can still have zero divergence, meaning it may not necessarily exhibit bound charge densities. The dipole moment can be calculated using integrals that account for surface and volume charge densities. The choice of origin for these calculations, represented by ##\vec{x_0}##, affects the dipole moment only if the total charge is non-zero. If the net charge is zero, the dipole moment remains independent of the origin chosen. Understanding these relationships is crucial for analyzing dielectric materials in various applications.
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Homework Statement
Is this correct?
For a uniformly polarised material i,e divergence of polarisation is 0, there will only be bound surface charges and so the dipole moment only comes from these bound surface charges.

However, for a non uniformly polarised material, the divergence is non 0 so the material will have both bound volume charge density and bound surface charge density. And thus both of these contribute to the dipole moment.
Relevant Equations
Uniformly polarised material:
##\vec{p}(\vec{x_0}) =\int_{surface} (\vec{x’}-\vec{x_0}) \sigma (\vec{x’}) dA’##

##=\vec{p}(\vec{x_0}) =\int_{surface} (\vec{x’}-\vec{x_0}) \vec{P} \cdot \hat{n} dA’##

Non uniformly polarised material:
##\vec{p}(\vec{x_0}) =\int_{surface} (\vec{x’}-\vec{x_0}) \sigma (\vec{x’}) dA’ + \int_{volume} (\vec{x’}-\vec{x_0}) \rho (\vec{x’}) dV’ ##

##=\vec{p}(\vec{x_0}) =\int_{surface} (\vec{x’}-\vec{x_0}) \vec{P} \cdot \hat{n} dA’ - \int_{volume} (\vec{x’}-\vec{x_0}) \nabla \cdot \vec{P} dV’##
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lys04 said:
However, for a non uniformly polarised material, the divergence is non 0 so the material will have both bound volume charge density and bound surface charge density.
This statement is not necessarily true. It's possible for the polarization ##\vec P## within a dielectric material to be nonuniform and yet have ##\vec \nabla \cdot \vec P = 0## at every point inside the dielectric material. [Edited to remove additional comments that probably gives away too much information for a homework question.]

I'm not clear on the homework assignment. Are you given the statements listed in the "Homework Statement" and your assignment is to decide if the statements are correct?
 
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TSny said:
This statement is not necessarily true. It's possible for the polarization P→ within a dielectric material to be nonuniform and yet have ∇→⋅P→=0 at every point inside the dielectric material.
Ah yeah I can see how that's possible.
But given a non-zero divergence, would the dipole moment be given by
##\vec{p}(\vec{x_0}) =\int_{surface} (\vec{x’}-\vec{x_0}) \sigma (\vec{x’}) dA’ + \int_{volume} (\vec{x’}-\vec{x_0}) \rho (\vec{x’}) dV’ ##?
TSny said:
I'm not clear on the homework assignment. Are you given the statements listed in the "Homework Statement" and your assignment is to decide if the statements are correct?
No, this is not a homework problem.
 
lys04 said:
Ah yeah I can see how that's possible.
But given a non-zero divergence, would the dipole moment be given by
##\vec{p}(\vec{x_0}) =\int_{surface} (\vec{x’}-\vec{x_0}) \sigma (\vec{x’}) dA’ + \int_{volume} (\vec{x’}-\vec{x_0}) \rho (\vec{x’}) dV’ ##?
That looks right. Just to be clear, what is the meaning of ##\vec x_0##? If the net charge of the dielectric is zero, does the dipole moment ##\vec p## depend on ##\vec x_0##?
 
TSny said:
That looks right. Just to be clear, what is the meaning of ##\vec x_0##? If the net charge of the dielectric is zero, does the dipole moment ##\vec p## depend on ##\vec x_0##?
If the charge distribution has non zero total charge then the dipole moment depends on where you measure it. But it doesn’t matter if the charge distribution has 0 net charge
 
lys04 said:
If the charge distribution has non zero total charge then the dipole moment depends on where you measure it.
But it doesn’t matter if the charge distribution has 0 net charge
Ok.
##\vec x_0## in the integrals represents the choice of origin for calculating the dipole moment. If the net charge of the system is zero, then the dipole moment will not depend on ##\vec x_0##..
 
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