Pole Propped in Room Homework: Find Length

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The problem involves determining the length of a uniform pole that can be propped between the floor and the ceiling of a room, given specific dimensions and coefficients of static friction. The height of the room is 7.80 ft, and the coefficients of static friction are provided for both the ceiling and the floor.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the balance of forces acting on the pole, including x-force and y-force balances, as well as torque considerations. Questions are raised about how to eliminate certain variables and the relationship between the angle theta and the length of the pole.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided insights into the conditions necessary for the pole to remain stable and not slide, while others are exploring the implications of the angle theta on the pole's length. There is an ongoing exploration of the setup and relationships involved in the problem.

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There is a mention of the assumption that all available poles have the same mass per unit length, which may influence the discussion on the forces involved.

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Homework Statement


A uniform pole is propped between the floor and the ceiling of a room. The height of the room is 7.80 ft, and the coefficient of static friction between the pole and the ceiling is 0.576. The coefficient of static friction between the pole and the floor is greater than that. What is the length of the longest pole that can be propped between the floor and the ceiling?

Homework Equations


Torque = F * d

The Attempt at a Solution


We consider the forces:
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We first have the x-force balance: ##0.576 n_1 = \mu_2 n_2##

And the y-force balance: ##mg = n_2-n_1##

And the torque balance: ##\frac{L}{2} mg \cos \theta + L n_1 \cos \theta = L 0.576 n_1 \sin \theta ##. We can cancel the L and multiply by 2: ##mg \cos \theta + 2 n_1 \cos \theta = 1.152 n_1 \sin \theta##. (##\theta## is the bottom angle the pole makes with the ground)

But from the torque equation, we only have ##mg = n_2-n_1## so how do we make the ##n_2##s cancel?
 
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What you calculated is the condition required such that the pole does not fly upward or sink through the floor. Good.

Now calculate the condition required such that the upper end does not slide across the ceiling.

If the rod was perfectly vertical there would be zero horizontal force, and so it will not slide. The question is claiming that at some point the rod's weight will cause it to slide. You have set things up in terms of the angle theta. How does theta relate to the length of the rod?
 
If $L$ is the length of the rod, then ## L \sin \theta = 7.08 ##. How do you set up the condition required such that the upper end does not slide across the ceiling?
 
Anyone can answer the above question?
 
I would assume all available poles are of the same mass per unit length.
 

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