Polynomials Over a Field - Rotman, Lemma 3.87

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The discussion revolves around the proof of Lemma 3.87 from Joseph J. Rotman's book on abstract algebra, specifically focusing on unique factorization of polynomials over a field. Participants are seeking clarification on how to set up and execute an induction proof related to this lemma.

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  • Peter seeks assistance with the induction proof for Lemma 3.87, specifically how to structure the proof and the induction process.
  • One participant outlines a base case where $f(x)$ is a constant, demonstrating that the theorem's hypotheses are satisfied and establishing the foundation for induction.
  • The same participant discusses various cases based on the degrees of $f$ and $b$, including scenarios where $\text{deg}(b) < \text{deg}(f)$, $\text{deg}(b) > \text{deg}(f)$, and $\text{deg}(b) = \text{deg}(f)$, providing reasoning for each case.
  • Another participant agrees with the previous explanation and identifies the induction method as strong induction, noting that it involves going more than "one notch down" unless $b$ is of degree 1.

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Participants generally agree on the approach to the induction proof and the cases presented, but there is no explicit consensus on the final form of the proof or any specific conclusions drawn from the discussion.

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I am reading Joseph J. Rotman's book: A First Course in Abstract Algebra with Applications (Third Edition) ...

I am currently focused on Section 3.6 Unique Factorization ...

I need help with an aspect of the proof of Lemma 3.87 ...

The relevant text from Rotman's book is as follows:
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In the proof of Lemma 3.87 above, we read the following:

" ... ... By induction, there are $$d_j(x) \in k[x]$$ with each $$d_j(x) = 0$$ or $$deg(d_j) \lt deg(b)$$, such that

$$g(x) = d_m b^{m-1} + \ ... \ + d_2 b = d_1$$ ... ... "Can someone help me with the proof of this statement ... that is, how to set up for induction in this case, and work through the proof by induction ...

Help with this matter will be much appreciated ...

Peter
 
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Suppose $f(x) = a$, a constant. Then we may take $d_j(x) = 0$ for every $j > 0$, and $d_0(x) = a = f(x)$.

Since $\text{deg}(d_0) = 0$ and $\text{deg}(b) \geq 1$, the theorem's hypotheses are satisfied, in this case. This is our "base" case, inducting on the degree of $f$.

With our inductive hypothesis, we assume the theorem holds for any polynomial $g$ with $0 \leq \text{deg}(g) < \text{deg}(f)$.

If $\text{deg}(b) < \text{deg}(f)$, dividing $f$ by $b$ yields such a $g$. Note if $\text{deg}(b) >\text{deg}(f)$, we can simply take $d_j(x) = 0$ for $j > 0$, and $d_0(x) = f(x)$, as in the constant case.

The case $\text{deg}(b) = \text{deg}(f)$ is slightly more interesting. Note that since $\deg{b} \geq 1$, this is true (in this case of equal degrees of $b$ and $f$) for $f$. In this case, we take $d_j(x) = 0$, for all $j > 1$.

If the leading coefficient of $b$ is, say $a_0$, and the leading coefficient of $f$ is $c_0$, we may take $d_1(x) = \dfrac{c_0}{a_0}$, which has degree 0, which is less than that of $b$.

Then $f(x) - d_1(x)b(x)$ is either the 0-polynomial, or has degree < the degree of $f$ = the degree of $b$, and we may take $d_0(x) = f(x) - d_1(x)b(x)$, which gives:

$f(x) = d_1(x)b(x) + d_0(x)$.

Otherwise, we are down to the case where $\text{deg}(b) < \text{deg}(f)$.

In this case, we have $f = gb + r$, where $\text{deg}(r) < \text{deg}(b)$, or $r = 0$. I leave the $r = 0$ case to you (hint: we can do it in one term).

So, by our inductive hypothesis, we have:

$g(x) = d'_{m-1}(x)b(x)^{m-1} +\cdots + d'_1(x)b(x) + d'_0$.

(the degree of $g$ is at most one less than the degree of $f$, hence the "$m-1$"-the coefficients may actually stop earlier, we may have $d_j = 0$ for all $j > k$ for some $0 \leq k \leq m-1$).

Let $d_j(x) = d'_{j-1}(x)$, and $d_0(x) = r(x)$.

Then $f(x) = g(x)b(x) + r(x) = (d'_{m-1}(x)b(x)^{m-1} + \cdots + d'_1(x)b(x) + d'_0)b(x) + r(x)$

$= d'_{m-1}b(x)^m + \cdots + d'_1(x)b(x)^2 + d'_0b(x) + r(x)$

$= d_m(x)b(x)^m + \cdots + d_2(x)b(x)^2 + d_1(x)b(x) + d_0(x)$.

So if the theorem holds for any polynomial of degree less than $f$, it holds for $f$ as well, and thus for ALL $f$.
 
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Suppose $f(x) = a$, a constant. Then we may take $d_j(x) = 0$ for every $j > 0$, and $d_0(x) = a = f(x)$.

Since $\text{deg}(d_0) = 0$ and $\text{deg}(b) \geq 1$, the theorem's hypotheses are satisfied, in this case. This is our "base" case, inducting on the degree of $f$.

With our inductive hypothesis, we assume the theorem holds for any polynomial $g$ with $0 \leq \text{deg}(g) < \text{deg}(f)$.

If $\text{deg}(b) < \text{deg}(f)$, dividing $f$ by $b$ yields such a $g$. Note if $\text{deg}(b) >\text{deg}(f)$, we can simply take $d_j(x) = 0$ for $j > 0$, and $d_0(x) = f(x)$, as in the constant case.

The case $\text{deg}(b) = \text{deg}(f)$ is slightly more interesting. Note that since $\deg{b} \geq 1$, this is true (in this case of equal degrees of $b$ and $f$) for $f$. In this case, we take $d_j(x) = 0$, for all $j > 1$.

If the leading coefficient of $b$ is, say $a_0$, and the leading coefficient of $f$ is $c_0$, we may take $d_1(x) = \dfrac{c_0}{a_0}$, which has degree 0, which is less than that of $b$.

Then $f(x) - d_1(x)b(x)$ is either the 0-polynomial, or has degree < the degree of $f$ = the degree of $b$, and we may take $d_0(x) = f(x) - d_1(x)b(x)$, which gives:

$f(x) = d_1(x)b(x) + d_0(x)$.

Otherwise, we are down to the case where $\text{deg}(b) < \text{deg}(f)$.

In this case, we have $f = gb + r$, where $\text{deg}(r) < \text{deg}(b)$, or $r = 0$. I leave the $r = 0$ case to you (hint: we can do it in one term).

So, by our inductive hypothesis, we have:

$g(x) = d'_{m-1}(x)b(x)^{m-1} +\cdots + d'_1(x)b(x) + d'_0$.

(the degree of $g$ is at most one less than the degree of $f$, hence the "$m-1$"-the coefficients may actually stop earlier, we may have $d_j = 0$ for all $j > k$ for some $0 \leq k \leq m-1$).

Let $d_j(x) = d'_{j-1}(x)$, and $d_0(x) = r(x)$.

Then $f(x) = g(x)b(x) + r(x) = (d'_{m-1}(x)b(x)^{m-1} + \cdots + d'_1(x)b(x) + d'_0)b(x) + r(x)$

$= d'_{m-1}b(x)^m + \cdots + d'_1(x)b(x)^2 + d'_0b(x) + r(x)$

$= d_m(x)b(x)^m + \cdots + d_2(x)b(x)^2 + d_1(x)b(x) + d_0(x)$.

So if the theorem holds for any polynomial of degree less than $f$, it holds for $f$ as well, and thus for ALL $f$.
Hi Deveno,

Thanks for a really clear post ... extremely helpful!

Another example of induction for me as well ... a case of complete or strong induction, I think ...

Thanks again for your support ...

Peter
 
Yes, it would be strong induction, because unless $b$ is of degree $1$, we go more than "one notch down".
 

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