Prime and Maximal Ideals in PIDs ... Rotman, AMA Theorem 5.12

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The discussion centers around understanding the proof of Theorem 5.12 from Joseph J. Rotman's "Advanced Modern Algebra," specifically regarding the implications of an irreducible element in a principal ideal domain (PID) and its relationship to prime ideals and maximal ideals.

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  • Peter seeks clarification on why the condition ##a|p## leads to either ##a## and ##p## being associates or ##a## being a unit, referencing the irreducibility of ##p##.
  • Peter reflects that since ##p## is irreducible, if ##p = ra## for some ##r##, then one of ##a## or ##r## must be a unit, leading to the conclusion about associates.
  • Another participant explains that since ##a|p## implies ##p=ba## for some ##b##, and using the properties of prime ideals, either ##a## or ##b## must belong to the ideal, leading to the conclusion about units and associates.
  • A later reply acknowledges the reasoning of the previous participant, noting the different approaches taken but suggesting that both are valid and connected to the proof of a related proposition.

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Participants generally agree on the validity of the reasoning presented, though they explore different routes to arrive at similar conclusions. No consensus is reached on a singular approach, as multiple perspectives are offered.

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The discussion involves assumptions about irreducibility and the properties of prime ideals in PIDs, which may not be universally applicable without further context or definitions.

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I am reading Joseph J. Rotman's book: Advanced Modern Algebra (AMA) and I am currently focused on Section 5.1 Prime Ideals and Maximal Ideals ...

I need some help with understanding the proof of Theorem 5.12 ... ...Theorem 5.12 reads as follows:
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In the above text Rotman writes the following:" ... ... If ##(p) \subseteq J = (a)##, then ##a|p##. Hence either ##a## and ##p## are associates, in which case ##(a) = (p)##, or ##a## is a unit, in which case ##J = (a) = R##. ... ... ... "My question is as follows:Rotman argues, (as I interpret his argument), that ##a|p## implies that either ##a## and ##p## are associates ... or ... ##a## is a unit ...Can someone please explain (slowly and clearly
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I have been reflecting on my question and believe the answer is something like the following:Firstly ... we are given that ##p## is irreducible ...

Now ... ##p## irreducible

##\Longrightarrow p## is non-zero and ##p## not a unit ... and ... where ##p## equals a product,

say, ##p = ra## ... then one of ##a## and ##r## is a unit ...Now, ##a|p \Longrightarrow p = ra## for some ##r \in R##

So then we have that:

##p## irreducible and ##p = ra \Longrightarrow## one of ##a## and ##r## is a unit ...

If ##r## is a unit then ##a## and ##p## are associates ... ...

... otherwise ##a## is a unit ...
Can someone confirm that this is correct ... or alternatively point out shortcomings and errors in the analysis ...

Peter
 
We have ##a|p## so ##p=ba## for some ##b##. Since ##p\in I=(p)## and ##I## is a prime ideal, it must be the case that either ##a## or ##b## is in ##I##.

If ##a\in I## we have ##p|a## which, together with the earlier-observed ##a|p## makes ##p,a## associates.

If ##a\not\in I## then ##b\in I## in which case ##b=pc## for some ##c##. So ##p=pca##. We write this as
$$0=p-pca=p(1-ca)$$
and since ##p\neq 0## and a PID is an Integral Domain, we must then have ##1-ca=0##, whence ##ca=1## so ##a|1##, making ##a## a unit.
 
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Can someone confirm that this is correct ... or alternatively point out shortcomings and errors in the analysis ...
That reasoning looks sound to me. It's a different route from mine, as yours explicitly uses the irreducibility of ##p## whereas mine uses the primeness of the ideal ##I##. I suspect the connection between the two lies in the proof of Proposition 5.6. But either one will suffice.
 
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Thanks Andrew ... your posts were REALLY helpful ...

Appreciate your help on this issue ...

Peter
 

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