Position in Spherical Coordinates

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The discussion revolves around describing the position of a point in spherical coordinates relative to two spheres, with the origin at the center of one sphere. The original poster attempts to express the coordinates of a point from both spheres and is exploring the relationships between these coordinates.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the implications of choosing different origins for the spherical coordinates and the potential complexity introduced by the geometry of the problem. Questions arise regarding the appropriateness of the coordinate definitions and the relationships between the coordinates from different origins.

Discussion Status

Some participants suggest alternative approaches to defining the coordinate system, such as centering at the midpoint of the two spheres. The original poster expresses uncertainty about the correctness of their expressions and indicates that the complexity of their equations may stem from the coordinate choices. There is an ongoing exploration of the problem without a clear consensus on the best approach.

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Participants note that the problem may involve fixed vertical and horizontal directions, and there is a reference to a related thread that may provide additional context. The original poster's equations appear to deviate from expected forms, prompting requests for clarification and additional information.

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Homework Statement


This is a bit hard to describe without a decent picture (or a decent brain) but try to bare with me.
Picture below shows two spheres, if the origin is at centre of A, and a line d joins the centre of the two spheres, how do I describe the position of a point r from each sphere in spherical coordinates?

------------------r---------
A
------O---------------------
-----------------------------
-------------------O--------
B

Homework Equations


Polar coordinates are in terms of r and Ø
The point r described from the origin (at A) is given by (rAA), where r is line from origin to point r.

The Attempt at a Solution


If origin was at B it would have coordinates (rBB) need to write these in terms of rA and ØA.
I think rB=rA+d and Ø=ØBA
 
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hi funcosed! :smile:

why are you doing this? is it part of something else? :confused:

easiest would be to define Ø = 0 through B :wink:

(and perhaps to take the origin at the midpoint of AB instead of at A, or at the centre of mass)
 


For why I am doing it see here http://www.physforum.com/index.php?showtopic=28996"

Fairly sure I know what to do for most of the question but it doesn't seem to work out because the expression I get for part 3 is a mess which I think is because of the coordinates.
 
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funcosed said:

ah i see … there's a vertical and horizontal direction that have to be regarded as fixed
Fairly sure I know what to do for most of the question but it doesn't seem to work out because the expression I get for part 3 is a mess which I think is because of the coordinates.

the cosine and sine rules should do it …

perhaps you'd better show your work (and a diagram), so that we can see why it's a mess? :smile:

(of course, a mess might be the right answer! :wink:)
 
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Part.3
ψA(r,Θ) = (1/4)Ua2(3r/a - a/r)sin2Θ

ψ(r,Θ)B = (1/4)Ua2((3r+d)/a - a/r)sin2Θ

Using, ψ(r,Θ) = ψA + ψ(r,Θ)B
and U = Ur + UΘ
Ur = (1/r2sinΘ)∂ψ/∂Θ
UΘ = (-1/rsinΘ)∂ψ/∂r

I get,
U = 1/2(UcosΘ)(3a/r - a3/r3 + 3a/4r2)r - 1/4(UsinΘ)(3a/r + a3/r3 + 3a/4r)Θ

which doesn't really fit with the form given in the question i.e. there are no a/d terms.
 


and here's a link to a picture

http://www.picpanda.com/viewer.php?file=lxvhtadg5vbj1miuycda.png"
 
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sorry, I'm not following your equations at all :confused:
 

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