Potential and intensity of magnetic field

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The problem involves a uniformly charged thin wire bent into a quarter-circle shape, with the goal of calculating the electric potential and intensity of the electric field at a specific point in space. The context is set in a vacuum, and the point of interest is located on a line perpendicular to the plane of the semicircle.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the integration process along the length of the conductor and the implications of changing angles on the calculations. There are questions about the relationship between the electric potential and the electric field, particularly regarding the gradient of the potential.

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Some participants have provided guidance on the integration limits and the use of variables in the equations. There is an acknowledgment of the symmetry in the problem, and participants are exploring different methods to approach the calculations without reaching a consensus on the final steps.

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There are references to the use of LaTeX for writing equations, indicating a focus on proper mathematical representation. The discussion also highlights the need for clarity in setting up the coordinate system for the problem.

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Very thin wire bent into the shape of a quarter-circle with the radius R is uniformly charged with electric charge q.
Calculate the potential and intensity of the electric field at point A, which lies on a line perpendicular to the plane of the semicircle and is passing through the center of its curvature at a distance a from the center. The wire is in the vacuum.

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I am integrating through the length of the conductor, where all the variables seem to be the constants. Is it correct?
How would it look like if I took into account the changing of the angle?

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Welcome to PF.
I am integrating through the length of the conductor, where all the variables seem to be the constants. Is it correct?
Yes.
How would it look like if I took into account the changing of the angle?
You mean if you take θ anticlockwise about the axis, from one end of the wire?
Try it and see: dx = R.dθ and the limits of integration are 0 - π/2 ...
 
Thx a lot for your reply.

Simon Bridge said:
You mean if you take θ anticlockwise about the axis, from one end of the wire?
Try it and see: dx = R.dθ and the limits of integration are 0 - π/2 ...

Yes...mainly "dx = R.dθ" made the trick, thanks again. (the result is the same :) )

Now everything is ready for the second question:
I need to calculate the intensity, I was thinking of using the equation "(vector)E = - grad θ" which gives me the partial derivations by x,y,z.
But θ doesn't contain x,y or z, so I would stay only with constants and therefore 0...what am I missing?
 
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##\vec E = -\nabla \phi## ... ;) where ##\phi## is the electric potential. I used ##\theta## for the angle.
How to write equations: https://www.physicsforums.com/help/latexhelp/

You have only worked out the electric potential at a specific point.
##\phi## is not the same everywhere... therefore it has a gradient someplace.
But it may be easier to do the vector calculus for the electric field directly: exploit the symmetry.
 
Simon Bridge said:
##\vec E = -\nabla \phi## ... ;) where ##\phi## is the electric potential. I used ##\theta## for the angle.
How to write equations: https://www.physicsforums.com/help/latexhelp/

I really like the logic behind, it recommends me LibreOffice and its writing of the equations.

Simon Bridge said:
You have only worked out the electric potential at a specific point.
##\phi## is not the same everywhere... therefore it has a gradient someplace.
But it may be easier to do the vector calculus for the electric field directly: exploit the symmetry.

Thx for the guidance, it is clearer now, hope I will do the calculations correctly.
 
ciso112 said:
I really like the logic behind, it recommends me LibreOffice and its writing of the equations.
It's a typsetting markup script called LaTeX - and it's pretty much the academic standard ... you can use it for Libre Office too, though, as you've noticed, there is a limited Tex support already built in.
http://extensions.libreoffice.org/extension-center/texmaths-1

Thx for the guidance, it is clearer now, hope I will do the calculations correctly.
No worries - it can help to explicitly lay out the axes ... I used cartesian with the charges in the positive quadrant of the x-y plane and A on the z axis.
 
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