Potential Dividers: Learn How to Solve AS Level Physics B Unit 1

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The discussion revolves around understanding potential dividers, particularly in the context of an AS Level Physics B exam. Participants seek clarification on the application of formulas related to potential dividers and their components, as well as the underlying concepts of voltage division in circuits.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about potential dividers and requests guidance on how they function.
  • Another participant explains the use of Ohm's Law to determine current and voltage drops in a series circuit, emphasizing the additive nature of resistances.
  • There is a discussion about the formula for voltage dividers, with participants questioning how to identify R1 and R2 in their specific example.
  • Clarifications are provided regarding the Voltage Divider Rule, with one participant noting a potential error in the formula provided in class.
  • Participants discuss the significance of which resistor is used in the numerator when calculating voltage drops across specific resistors.
  • A later post introduces a different topic regarding voltage divider bias in NPN transistors, raising questions about the role of emitter bypass capacitance and its effect on current flow and transistor stabilization.

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Participants generally agree on the basic principles of potential dividers and the application of the Voltage Divider Rule, but there is some confusion regarding the specific application of the formula and the roles of R1 and R2. The later introduction of voltage divider bias in transistor circuits introduces a new area of discussion that remains unresolved.

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Some participants express uncertainty about the definitions and roles of components in their specific circuit examples, and there are unresolved questions about the implications of using emitter bypass capacitance in transistor applications.

Who May Find This Useful

Students preparing for AS Level Physics exams, particularly those focusing on circuit theory and potential dividers, as well as individuals interested in the application of voltage dividers in transistor circuits.

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Hey,

I'm sitting my 'AS Level Physics B unit 1' in a week or so, and am having some trouble with potential dividers.

Here is an example of a question. Could you please take me through how they work, my knwoledge of them is practically nothing, and the textbook I have doesn't really cover it well. Thanks for any help =]

http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/1296/potentialdividerrf2.png
 
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Part A: The first component (X) is a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photoresistor" . That article will explain Part C as well.

Part B: You can use "[URL Law[/URL] to determine the voltage. In a series DC circuit like the one depicted, the resistance is additive so the total current through the circuit is given by Ohm's Law: I = V/R, where I is the current, V is the voltage (1.5 V in your problem), and R is the total resistance (1.8K ohms plus 2.2K ohms in your problem).

Once you have the total current in the circuit, and remembering that in a series circuit, the current is the same throughout (i.e. the current through each resistor is the same) you can calculate the voltage drop across each resistor by rearranging Ohm's Law into V = I*R.

CS
 
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In the exam we are given the formula...R1 = (R1/R1+R2) x output voltage

That is the formula we are given how can I apply that to this question? I don't know what would be R1 and R2? Can I use this formula for all potential divider questions?
 
CrawfordK said:
In the exam we are given the formula...


R1 = (R1/R1+R2) x output voltage

That is the formula we are given how can I apply that to this question? I don't know what would be R1 and R2? Can I use this formula for all potential divider questions?

That will work too, it's called the Voltage Divider Rule (but your equation is just re-arranged for R1 in this case). I just wanted you to understand the concepts behind what is going on in the circuit without just applying a "magical formula".

You can read a little more about the Voltage Divider Rule http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voltage_divider" .


EDIT: Just noticed that the equation you were given in class looks incorrect, since it doesn't reference the input voltage. Check the link for the re-arragned equation for R1.


CS
 
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I wrote it out mate sorry about that.output voltage across R1 = (R1/R1+R2) x input voltage

I don't know what to put into the formula, like what would go in for R1 and R2 in this case? I understand the basics on how they work and what they do, but if I know what goes where i'll be able to work it out in my head =]
 
Ok, that makes more sense now.

The attached picture is basically the same as your diagram (Picture source is Wiki).

Based on that picture you can just plug in the values given for your circuit.

Just remember, what ever resistor's voltage drop you are looking for, use that resistor in the numerator.

So, in your example you can call the resistors R1 and R2 with R1 being the "X" one and R2 being the other one (the 2.2K ohm one).

Then using the Voltage Divider Rule your setup looks like this:

V_{out,R_2} = \frac{R_2}{(R_1 + R_2)} \cdot V_{in}

You are given R1's value (1.8K Ohms) and R2's value (2.2K Ohms). Additionally, the source is also give as 1.5 Volts.

Now it simple substitution & mathematics...

CS
 

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Thank you so much I just need 1 thing cleared up. WHat do you mean by..


"Just remember, what ever resistor's voltage drop you are looking for, use that resistor in the numerator."


And so it doesn't matter which resistpr value you make R1 or R2?
 
CrawfordK said:
Thank you so much I just need 1 thing cleared up. WHat do you mean by..


"Just remember, what ever resistor's voltage drop you are looking for, use that resistor in the numerator."


And so it doesn't matter which resistpr value you make R1 or R2?

I mean that if you are looking for the voltage drop across a specific resistor, then that resistor is used in the general equation for the voltage divider rule at the term in the numerator on the RHS of the equation (fractional part).

If you'll notice in the equation I setup for you,

V_{out,R_2} = \frac{R_2}{(R_1 + R_2)} \cdot V_{in}

the term on the LHS of the equation is V_{out,R_2}. I used the subscript R2 to emphasis that the output voltage is read across R2 (i.e. the voltage drop across it). Notice that R2 is also in the numerator on the RHS of the equation (fractional part).

Does that make sense now?

CS
 
Thanks so much, for all your help. I can go into my exam with some confidence. I'll just do a few past paper questions to get the feel but thanks! =]
 
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CrawfordK said:
Thanks so much, for all your help. I can go into my exam with some confidence. I'll just do a few past paper questions to get the feel but thanks! =]

You're quite welcome...good luck.

CS
 
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i have a doubt in voltage divider bias. . . . . . when NPN transistor connected in Ce mode is used as an amplifier due to the resistor conneted in series with emitter , transistor is stabilised . . . . but while using the divider in single stage CE amplifier a emitter bypass capacitance is connectd in parallel with the resistor ,which conneted in series with emitter . . . which provides a low reactance path to the amplified ac signal . . .there fore no current flows thru the resistor . . . . but due to the flow of current in the resistor ,only the transistor is stabilised . . . . . .Actually what is happening there . . or am i going wrong somewhere
 
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