Potential Energy = Kinetic Energy

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between kinetic energy (Ke) and potential energy (Pe) in the context of a falling tennis ball. Participants explore the conditions under which these energies can be considered equal and the implications of energy conservation in ideal scenarios.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that in specific cases, such as a tennis ball falling freely, kinetic energy can be considered equal to potential energy at certain moments.
  • Others argue that kinetic energy and potential energy cannot always be equal, as kinetic energy increases while potential energy decreases during a fall.
  • A participant notes that while the change in potential energy equals the negative change in kinetic energy, this relationship is contingent on the conservation of energy in conservative forces.
  • It is suggested that kinetic energy at impact equals potential energy at release for a dropped tennis ball, assuming no external factors like wind resistance.
  • One participant reflects on their own understanding of the concepts, expressing a realization of gaps in their foundational knowledge despite previous academic success.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the equality of kinetic and potential energy, with some asserting that they can be equal under certain conditions while others maintain that they are not always equal. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the nuances of these relationships.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the importance of assumptions, such as neglecting air resistance, when discussing energy equivalence. There are also indications of varying levels of understanding among participants, which may affect their interpretations of the concepts.

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Even the average student can assume in cases where a tennis ball falls freely or is hit that Ke = Pe.
The question is why do we take it as if they are equal?
 
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Originally posted by Ohm
Even the average student can assume in cases where a tennis ball falls freely or is hit that Ke = Pe.
The question is why do we take it as if they are equal?

Average students probably assume a lot of things that aren't correct. It certainly isn't the case that "where a tennis ball falls freely or is hit that Ke= Pe". As a tennis ball falls its Kinetic energy is increasing and its Potential energy is decreasing. They can't always be the same. In addition, while kinetic energy depends upon speed, potential energy is always relative to some arbitrary reference point. Because of that you can always take potential energy to be equal to kinetic energy as some specific time but they won't stay equal.
 
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What can be equal in those ideal cases is that the change in potential energy = - change in kinetic energy. This comes from the fact that you are dealing with conservatory forces and therefore the total energy is conserved (total energy = kinetic energy+potential energy). Therefore, since the total energy is a constant, if the potential energy goes down, then the kinetic energy goes up (case of a tennis ball falling freely).
 
To say it in a different way, kinetic energy at impact equals potential energy at release for a dropped tennis ball. This is true if you make some assumptions such as no wind resistance.
 
Yup, energy is conserved in isolated systems. Thanks for the insight. Would you believe that i finished Mechanics A-level at school(Average mark 87.5%) and i was not familiar with the reason of equating Loss in Pe with Gain in Ke ? Lately i discovered that i was not familiar with basic physics - I relied heavily on memory when i was doing O-level. In fact, i discovered that the majority of my friends who are doing A-level physics know everything by heart. I mean I can solve simple "critical" questions but when it comes to using basic theory to "extract" an idea, well that's where I get stuck.
Most Uncanny though, is the fact that i managed to get through Mechanics A-level incredibly successfuly. I'm currently searching on the internet to get my self obtained with basic information and get puzzled with questions. I'm going to be using your forums since i do not consider internet to be a perfectly reliable source.
 

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