Potential Risks of the Large Hadron Collider

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the potential risks associated with the Large Hadron Collider (LHC), particularly concerns about its ability to create black holes or "tear holes" in spacetime, as suggested by some Russian mathematicians. Participants explore the implications of high-energy collisions, comparing them to natural cosmic events and addressing public fears regarding the LHC's operations.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants reference a paper by Russian mathematicians claiming the LHC could "tear holes" in spacetime.
  • Others question whether the energetic collisions produced by the LHC are comparable to those occurring naturally in the upper atmosphere, such as "Oh-My-God" particles.
  • There is a suggestion that the LHC provides unique opportunities for observation beyond what is possible in the ionosphere.
  • Concerns are raised about the public fear of black holes being created by the LHC, with some participants seeking clarification on the likelihood of such events.
  • One participant mentions that a black hole formed by the LHC would evaporate quickly, implying a transient nature to the risk.
  • A link to an external blog post is shared, presumably discussing black holes at CERN.
  • There is a discussion about the validity of referencing papers based on their publication status in mainstream journals, indicating a concern for the credibility of claims made in the forum.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a mix of skepticism and curiosity regarding the risks of the LHC, with no consensus reached on the validity of the claims about black holes or spacetime tears. Multiple competing views remain regarding the significance of the LHC's energy levels compared to natural cosmic events.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the nature of high-energy collisions and their potential consequences remain unresolved. The discussion also highlights varying standards for what constitutes credible scientific discourse within the forum.

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Two Russian Mathematicians claim that the Large Hadron Collider (being built in Switzerland) has the potential to "tear holes" in spacetime.

Here is their paper written from the http://www.mi.ras.ru/index.php?l=1"

http://arxiv.org/pdf/0710.2696

Just curious on people's thoughts.
 
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Don't much more energetic collisions happen all the time in our upper atmosphere? So called "Oh-My-God" particles that travel at like 0.99c?
 
Not sure if they're comparable to what the LHC will do, but we know at least that the LHC offers us something more than observing the collisions in the ionosphere or there would be no reason to build it.
 
Well yeah, that's the whole point. But people are saying "What if they create a black hole and suck us all in!11" (not the guys you are talking about, just the general public). I am just asking if it is true or not that there are more energetic collisions in our atmosphere happening on a regular basis. That would put our fears to rest about that part.

Observing something like tears in the spacetime would be cool.
 
Was it not anwered before that a black hole created this way would evaporate very quickly.
 
Sorry Pathagorean but I should have explained. If a paper is published in an appropriate mainstream journal, then it may be referenced in a regular forum; if not, then, less special exceptions like Garret Lisi's paper, it is not elegible for discussion anywhere on PF.

If this paper doesn't get published then consider that your critique.

S&D is strictly for claims of and evidence for unexplained phenomena outside of the mainstream.
 
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