Power and rate of potential energy

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving a train moving up an incline, focusing on the concepts of potential energy and power. The original poster presents calculations related to the rate of increase of potential energy and the power developed by the train while considering frictional forces.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to calculate the potential energy increase and power using given formulas, while also converting units and determining height based on incline geometry. Other participants question the total power needed and whether it involves summing the calculated values.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants exploring the calculations and clarifying the total power requirement. Some guidance is provided regarding the addition of power values, but there is no explicit consensus on the correctness of the calculations presented.

Contextual Notes

The problem involves specific constraints, such as the mass of the train, the incline ratio, and the frictional force, which are critical to the calculations but may not be fully explored in the discussion.

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Homework Statement


A train of mass 2.0*10^5 kg moves at a constant speed of 72km/h up a straight incline against a frictional force of 1.28*10^4N.The incline is such that the train raises vertically 1m for every 100m traveled along the incline.
(i)Calculate the rate of increase per second of the potential energy of the train.
(ii) THe necessary power developed by train.


Homework Equations


P.E=mgh
P=W/t
=Fv


The Attempt at a Solution


Heres how i tried to solve it..
(i)convert 72km/h to m/s we get 20m/s
for 1 second, the train travels 20m
To find height when train traveled 20m,
sin^-1(1/100)=0.573 degrees
sin0.573=x/20
x=0.2m
so,

P=mgh/t
=(2x10^5)(10)(.2)/1s
=400kW

(ii)P=Fv
Since there is constant velocity, F-1.28*10^4=0
F=above N
P=Fv
=(1.28*10^4)(20)
=256kW

is this correct?
 
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What about power needed to move train?
 
oh wait, so the total power needed by the train is just adding up the two anwsers above?
 
Yes.
 
oh ok thx
 

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