Powerful fans on boat, blow to own sails, would this move the boat?

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The discussion revolves around the hypothetical scenario of using powerful fans mounted on a sailboat to generate airflow towards the sails in the absence of natural wind. Participants explore whether this artificial wind can effectively move the boat, considering different angles of airflow and the mechanics involved.

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  • One participant suggests that blowing air directly at the sails may not move the boat effectively, particularly when the airflow is horizontal.
  • Another participant argues that while the boat would move, it would not replicate the effects of natural wind, as the fans would primarily pull the boat in the direction of the airflow.
  • There is a mention of the importance of the sail's curve shape in generating lift and the need for airflow to be directed backward for effective propulsion.
  • A thought experiment is presented where a person pushing against a mat demonstrates that the system remains in equilibrium, indicating that the boat would not move if the sail is flat.
  • Another participant emphasizes that using the fan to blow air backward would be more effective than directing it at the sails.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the effectiveness of using fans to move the boat, with some believing it could work under certain conditions while others argue against its efficacy. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the overall effectiveness of the proposed method.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference various demonstrations and experiments related to the topic, but there are limitations in terms of assumptions about airflow dynamics and the specific configurations of the sails and fans.

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Individuals interested in fluid dynamics, sailing mechanics, or experimental physics may find this discussion relevant.

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A sail boat got stuck because there is absolutely no wind. The boat happens to have some powerful fans. Which are then bolted on deck and blow to the sails.

Would that make the boat move?
  1. When the artificial wind direction is horizontal (0 degree)
  2. When the wind direction is 45 degrees.
Would appreciate some explanation because I am not sure about the answers. I think Q1 will not move the boat. Q2 will move it, but in negligible proportions.
 
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Trikenstein said:
Would that make the boat move?
Yes, but not in the way the wind does.
Air drawn into the fan, will mostly pull the boat that way.
The sail will deflect the blown air, and so will push the boat away somewhat, but also along.

To go faster, take the sail down.
 
There are several demonstrations of this experiment with variations, e.g., here.
 
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Hill said:
There are several demonstrations of this experiment with variations, e.g., here.
Thanks for the video suggestion. Now I see the importance of the curve shape of the sail. There has to be something pushing the air backward.

In my thought experiment, I simplified the problem as a person standing on the deck, pushing on the mat with a stick. Obviously the system is in equilibrium within the boat itself and would not move the boat. Kind of demonstrated in the video when the sail is perfectly flat.
 
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Trikenstein said:
Kind of demonstrated in the video when the sail is perfectly flat.
With a flat sail you would want to blow at it from the side, at an acute angle of attack, while it is oriented to divert the air backwards. But as already said, you would be much better off using just the fan, blowing air backwards.
 
Trikenstein said:
A sail boat got stuck because there is absolutely no wind. The boat happens to have some powerful fans. Which are then bolted on deck and blow to the sails.
Airboat go fast:
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Airboat with parachute pulled behind it go slow/zero... :wink:
 
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