Press Tonnage (No Flywheel)

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The discussion revolves around calculating the press tonnage for a mechanical system with specified stroke and operational parameters. Participants explore the necessary considerations for determining forces involved in the system, including the importance of a free body diagram and various mechanical properties of the ram and die.

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  • Technical explanation, Mathematical reasoning, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant mentions the stroke length of 2.00 inches and a frequency of 300 strokes per minute.
  • Another participant specifies a position of 1/32 inch from bottom dead center (BDC).
  • A participant questions whether the inquiry is homework-related and emphasizes the need for a free body diagram to proceed with calculations.
  • One participant calculates crank torque and estimates the tonnage based on the provided torque value, suggesting a result of approximately 48.37 short tons, but expresses uncertainty without a diagram.
  • Several participants highlight the importance of additional specifications such as ram dimensions, die opening width, material thickness, and type of material for accurate calculations.
  • Another participant argues that certain parameters, like die opening width and material thickness, may not significantly affect the total tonnage calculation given the specified conditions.
  • A detailed calculation is provided, showing the relationship between crank throw, angle, and mechanical advantage, leading to an estimated ram force of 48.25 short tons, while noting the potential impact of connecting rod length on this estimate.
  • Concerns are raised about the necessity of a cushioned die to protect mechanical components, indicating that this would affect the actual tonnage applied to the work.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying opinions on the relevance of certain parameters in the calculations, and there is no consensus on the final tonnage value or the importance of specific details in the problem setup.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the accuracy of calculations depends on the correctness of the free body diagram and the specifications provided, which are currently incomplete.

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Looking for the resulting tonnage of press ram.
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2.00" of Stroke and 300 strokes per minute.
 

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1/32" from BDC
 
Is this homework? If so, we can move it.

To calculate forces, you start with a free body diagram (search the term). Every calculation in this problem requires getting the free body diagram correct. There are other considerations that will enter the problem at a later stage, but nothing will make sense until the free body diagram is correct. So start there, and we will assist as needed.
 
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Since you specify torque as inch pounds, and the crank radius conveniently as one inch, I assume you are using US customary units, so want an answer in short tons.
The crank torque of 24,000 pound⋅inch = 12 ton⋅inch.
My estimate is; 12 / Sin( Acos( -31/32 ) ) = 48.37 ton(short).
But I certainly would not trust it without a diagram.
 
ram, dimensions, die opening width, material thickness, type of material, bending rate to name a few
 
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Ranger Mike said:
Define the problem. You offer no specs on the ram. No data.
What more do you need that is not provided in the diagram or text ?
 
Ranger Mike said:
ram, dimensions, die opening width, material thickness, type of material, bending rate to name a few
Ram dimensions: determine pressure, not total tonnage.
Die opening width: As above, irrelevant, the throw on the crank is ±1", so the opening will be a maximum of 2" high.
Material thickness: is not important as; 1/32" above BDC has been specified.
Type of material: Bending rate: Irrelevant.

The torque of 24,000 pound·inch is 12.0 short ton·inch.
The crank throw is 2” total, so the crank follows; y = 1” * Cos(theta) .
TDC will be at 0°, with BDC at 180° .
The work will first be done at; y = 1/32” above BDC, then ;
Theta = Acos( -31/32 ) = Acos( -0.96875 ) = 165.638°.
Mechanical advantage is the reciprocal of the slope of the Cos() function, = Sin() ;
1 / Sin( theta ) = 1 / 0.248 = 4.0316 advantage.
So the ram force will be 12 * 4.0316 = 48.38 ton(short).

That ignores the connecting rod diagonal length of 13” when offset 0.248” which will lower the tonnage slightly. A crude estimate is; (13” - 1/32”) / 13” = 99.76% .
So the; 48.38 becomes 48.25 ton(short).

The die, below the work, should be sprung to protect the crank and bearings. That cushion must begin to compress before 48.25 ton, which will set the actual limit to the press tonnage applied to the work.
 
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