Pressure 2 m deep in a tank full of water

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The problem involves calculating pressure at different depths in a tank filled with water, specifically comparing pressures at 2 meters and 6 meters below the water surface. The context suggests a focus on fluid mechanics and hydrostatic pressure principles.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the application of the equation P=hdg and question the initial pressure value provided. There are considerations of atmospheric pressure and whether the pressures are gauge or absolute. Some participants explore the implications of the problem being set on Earth versus another context.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active with various interpretations being explored. Participants are questioning the assumptions made about the pressure values and the context of the problem, particularly regarding the nature of the fluid and the effects of atmospheric pressure. Guidance has been offered regarding the potential need for clarification on the problem statement.

Contextual Notes

There is uncertainty regarding the atmospheric conditions and whether the pressures are gauge pressures. Some participants suggest that the scenario may involve an elevator or a different planetary context, which complicates the interpretation of the given pressures.

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Homework Statement


In a tank full of water, the pressure on a surface 2 meters below the water level is
1.5 kPa. What is the pressure on a surface 6 meters below the water level?

Homework Equations


Isn't this impossible? The equation given is P=hdg. (height of water column x density x 9.8m/s/s) and the density of water is 1.

The Attempt at a Solution


So by that equation, the pressure 2 meters below would be P=2m x 1 x 9.8m/s/s = 19.6 kPa
and the pressure 6 meters below the surface would be P= 6m x 1 x 9.8m/s/s = 58.8 kPa

Am I misunderstanding something here?

Thank you in advance!
 
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SpiffyPhysics said:
The equation given is P=hdg.
This equation gives zero pressure at a height of 0. Possible, but it is a special case that does not have to be true. There is a more general formula. Alternatively, consider pressure differences only.
 
The planet is not specified. But then, neither is its atmospheric pressure, making the whole indeterminate.
 
I guess we can assume this happens at the surface of Earth. Atmospheric pressure does not influence the result (but we have to assume that 1.5 kPa are pressure relative to atmospheric pressure otherwise the described system cannot exist).
 
mfb said:
I guess we can assume this happens at the surface of Earth. Atmospheric pressure does not influence the result (but we have to assume that 1.5 kPa are pressure relative to atmospheric pressure otherwise the described system cannot exist).
But Spiffy's point is that the set up described is not possible under those conditions. The excess pressure would be more like 20kPa at 2m. That's why I brought up the possibility of a different context.
 
Excess pressure relative to the highest point in the tank, which can be below atmospheric pressure.
 
mfb said:
Excess pressure relative to the highest point in the tank, which can be below atmospheric pressure.
Sure, but it can't be negative. Even if the tank is under a vacuum the pressure at 2m will be far more than the question states.
 
Sometimes pressure is given relative to atmospheric pressure. I suggest to wait for SpiffyPhysics.

@SpiffyPhysics: Is this the full and exact problem statement?
 
mfb said:
Sometimes pressure is given relative to atmospheric pressure. I suggest to wait for SpiffyPhysics.

@SpiffyPhysics: Is this the full and exact problem statement?
Let the absolute pressure at the surface be P. On Earth, the pressure at 2m depth of water will be about P+20kPa, yes? What value of P is going to give a resulting pressure of a mere 1.5kPa?

The only interpretation that makes sense to me is a) this is not on Earth, and b) the pressures are relative to atmospheric, whatever that is.
 
  • #10
haruspex said:
Let the absolute pressure at the surface be P. On Earth, the pressure at 2m depth of water will be about P+20kPa, yes? What value of P is going to give a resulting pressure of a mere 1.5kPa?

The only interpretation that makes sense to me is a) this is not on Earth,
Or the fluid is not water.
 
  • #11
The pressures are gauge pressures and the tank is in an elevator.:smile:
 
  • #12
ehild said:
Or the fluid is not water.
It says water.
 
  • #13
TSny said:
The pressures are gauge pressures and the tank is in an elevator.:smile:
An accelerating elevator... Albert E says that might as well be a different planet.
 

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