Pressure and force in 3 different containers

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The discussion revolves around the forces and pressures exerted by water in three different tanks, each with varying bottom surface areas but equal heights and water depths. Participants analyze the relationships between force, pressure, and surface area in the context of fluid mechanics.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants attempt to determine the relationships between the forces and pressures in the tanks based on their surface areas and depths. Questions arise regarding the nature of forces exerted by water on the sides of the tanks and the implications of pressure being equal at the same depth.

Discussion Status

Some participants express confidence in their reasoning, while others seek clarification on specific points, particularly regarding the upward force exerted by water on the tank sides. Hints and guidance are provided to help clarify the relationships between pressure, force, and area.

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Participants are navigating through assumptions about the forces acting on the tank walls and the implications of pressure being uniform across different tanks filled to the same height. The discussion reflects a mix of correct assertions and points of confusion that require further exploration.

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Homework Statement


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The three tanks shown above are filled with water to an equal depth. All the tanks have an equal height. Tank A has the greatest surface area at the bottom, tank B the least and tank C the middle.
(Select T-True, F-False, G-Greater than, L-Less than, E-Equal to. If the first is F the second L and the rest G, enter
FLGGGG).

A) The force exerted by the water on the bottom of tank A is ... the force exerted by the water on the bottom of tank C
B) The pressure at the bottom of tank A is ... the pressure at the bottom of tank B
C) The water in tank B exerts an upward force on the sides of the tank.
D) The force due to the water on the bottom of tank A is ... the weight of the water in the tank.
E) The pressure exerted on the bottom of tank B is smaller than for the other tanks.


Homework Equations


F= p*A
p = density*g*d


The Attempt at a Solution



I hate these types of problems because I know I'll have all but one wrong...
A: Greater Than, A has a larger surface area on the bottom, and thus has a larger force since pressure is the same because they have the same depth.
B: Equal To, pressure is just related to depth. Since they all have the same depth, the pressures are equal.
C: False, water does not come in contact vertically with the tank.
D: Equal To, even though the wall is exerting some force down on the water the water is exerting some force up on the walls.
E: False, the pressure is the same because all the containers are filled to the same height with the same liquid.

I greatly appreciate any help.
 
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hellblazer970 said:
A: Greater Than, A has a larger surface area on the bottom, and thus has a larger force since pressure is the same because they have the same depth.
B: Equal To, pressure is just related to depth. Since they all have the same depth, the pressures are equal.
Perfectly correct answers and reasoning.
C: False, water does not come in contact vertically with the tank.
I don't understand the reason for your answer. The water certainly makes contact with the sides of the tank.
D: Equal To, even though the wall is exerting some force down on the water the water is exerting some force up on the walls.
What does the force of the wall on the water have to do with the weight of the water?
E: False, the pressure is the same because all the containers are filled to the same height with the same liquid.
Perfectly correct answer and reasoning.
 
Doc Al said:
I don't understand the reason for your answer. The water certainly makes contact with the sides of the tank.
Well, what I think the question is asking is that does the water exert an upward force on the container (i think), so I presume it means something like this
http://www.hellblazer.cc/upload/uploads/water_b_phys1110.jpg
Which it certainly is not making contact with, so it should be false.

Doc Al said:
What does the force of the wall on the water have to do with the weight of the water
It shouldnt. F = pressure*area right? But I am not sure how to figure out if pressure*area = or < or > density*volume*g...
 
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hellblazer970 said:
Well, what I think the question is asking is that does the water exert an upward force on the container (i think), so I presume it means something like this
http://www.hellblazer.cc/upload/uploads/water_b_phys1110.jpg
Which it certainly is not making contact with, so it should be false.
The question asks about the force the water exerts on the sides of the container. Is the water in contact with those sides? Yes. Does the water exert a force on those sides? Yes.

In what direction? (Does the force exerted by the water on the sides of the container have an upward component or a downward component?)
It shouldnt. F = pressure*area right? But I am not sure how to figure out if pressure*area = or < or > density*volume*g...
Hint: Pressure = density*g*height. Combine that with force = pressure*area.
 
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Doc Al said:
The question asks about the force the water exerts on the sides of the container. Is the water in contact with those sides? Yes. Does the water exert a force on those sides? Yes.

In what direction? (Does the force exerted by the water on the sides of the container have an upward component or a downward component?)

The water only exerts a downward force on the tank, so the answer must be false since its asking for does it have an upward component.

Hint: Pressure = density*g*height. Combine that with force = pressure*area.
Force/area = pressure
Force/area = density*g*height
Force = density*g*height*area
BUT the area does not stay the same with height. it is larger on the bottom so, density*g*height*area at the bottom > density*g*volume

Thank you very much, I appreciate your help, the above are correct.
 
Very good!
 

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